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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 here on the Air

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Force roof has an ops and applying their

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- found and is now in the possession of

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the RA the game is rigged changed the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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we need your help to get to the year

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all right good evening fade to black

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the spoke radio for Masse's today's

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Wednesday August 22nd 2018 235 days into

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that's right we are live from a bunker

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right in the middle of beautiful

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downtown Burbank California I would like

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to welcome everybody listening all

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around the world all across the United

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back and forth up and down east and west

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north and south far and near

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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game changer Network and K GRA the

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planet I'm you know Jimmy Church what is

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rock and everybody how you do it

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how you do it how you do

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it's gonna be one of those shows

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because our very special guest is

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Richard bleep indolent that's right he's

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back tonight everything is on the table

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we're gonna discuss all the latest news

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on our UFO community that's right

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remember TTS a to the Stars Academy

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remember that talk about that I think

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we're gonna discuss guy at TV tonight

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that's right

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discuss some recent sightings and of

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course the alleged next book of his on

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false flags tomorrow night is another

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Fator night with Jon Rappoport and

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there's no more fake newsroom live

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that's tomorrow night followed by open

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lines all night long okay ight man maybe

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tonight I don't know I don't know maybe

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we'll take some phone calls with Richard

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we'll see we always run out of time with

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with mr. Dolan and tonight's gonna be no

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exception he was texting me before the

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show he's probably listening right now

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so I'll tell you what he texted he goes

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what we're only doing two hours Church I

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need four with you my man and I was like

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I know right

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nah he didn't yeah he did what me he

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almost said that he meant to say that

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love it wouldn't Richard's on the show I

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can't believe it's been it's been so

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long we've had him on you know little

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special things here and there but it's

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been good it's been like a year I've had

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him on coast I just can't believe it's

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been that long since he's been on the

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show so anyway Richard Dolan tonight

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very excited to have somebody in here

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who and I say this all the time but it's

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really true

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proud when he's out there you know doing

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his thing whether it's it radio or TV or

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conferences and that's it and I listen

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to Richard speak I might just step back

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an hour watch I go you know people get

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it you know that that's one thing they

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get it with his delivery

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but the second thing is is he comes from

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this his story and educated background

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and he knows how to speak and he

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represents us and I'm just glad I'm just

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glad uh so anyway tonight Richards on

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the show today is Juan crusiers birthday

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he's 59 I didn't know I did that that

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escaped me mom coochie a from rat the

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that's a trip 59 years old where did the

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time go

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for how much longer but it's still there

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and of course YouTube which is giving me

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hassles today too as well and yesterday

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there you go I'm just I'm just writing

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that out but YouTube is still there and

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if you want to go and chase us down

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everything is to be Church or fade to

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black it's simple enough to do and you

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of course every single night and we have

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to chat rooms open one over a kg are a

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the planet and of course spreaker.com

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and and there you go pick your poison

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mmm man I love coffee and I love coffee

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with like two or three extra shots of

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espresso then it gets to where it needs

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to be hey where am i dancing gifts

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tonight am i ok guess there is a few ok

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I take it back there's Elvis ok all

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right my bad it just slipped by me

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alright you can also email throughout

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the show tonight Jimmy at Jimmy Turks

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radio calm a couple of program notes

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I am I normally don't leak this but

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I'm going to just let you guys know that

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this weekend I'm gonna be over at

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coast-to-coast I'll just be doing this

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Saturday and so that's this weekend and

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my guests are Peter Maxwell Slattery and

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Laura can - that'll be this Saturday

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next Saturday September 22nd

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I'm sorry September 1st I'll be back so

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a week later I'm over a coast and then a

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week or two after that which is

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September 22nd I'm over a coast and then

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through the month of October and

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November so I thought we were gonna get

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a break but yeah so I'll be over at

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coast this Saturday and Peter Maxwell

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Slattery and Laura can't - both of them

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have this will be for the both of them

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their first time appearance is over at

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coast to coast and I'm really surprised

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about that but what's really cool well

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when that happens just like unfading

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introducing the coast audience - to new

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talent and fresh faces is something that

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I really really enjoy so Coast audience

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get ready for that Peter Maxwell

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Slattery and Laura can't - this Saturday

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over on coast to coast I already got

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some breaking news and you know I saw

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this ramping up over the last week or

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two but a gang of earthquakes a gang a

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gang of earthquakes has hit the Pacific

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Ring of Fire and it's been going on all

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week long prompting me to wonder if it's

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a precursor you know to the big one

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I certainly hope not but 69 earthquakes

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tremors the tremors 16 tremors that were

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4.5 or above on the Richter scale have

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according to the USGS which recorded the

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events but did not issue a warning

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of the 69 earthquakes 53 hit the area on

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8.2 also hit on Sunday that caught my

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eye I don't know if you guys saw it came

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it was 175 miles north north east of joy

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island in Fiji it was so deep in the

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earth that they decided not to issue a

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tsunami warning but that is an awful lot

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to this to his well you know there's 450

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active volcanoes in the Ring of Fire 90%

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in that little horseshoe shaped ring

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they are active so what is going on out

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and gloom I'm not but it just feels feel

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strange other nature man burping we'll

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three from people that got their new

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show cracking happy birthday to today

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Kristen Wiig today is 45 and you may you

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may know her from Saturday Night Live or

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bridesmaids or ghostbusters knocked up

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but not for me now it's The Secret Life

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of Walter Mitty have you seen that the

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remake it's amazing and and the movie

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the movie is really good Ben Stiller

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knocks it out of the park and so does

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Kristen Wiig but it's not even that it's

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her cover of David Bowie's Space Oddity

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she slays the dragon it is so good

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you've got to check it out

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The Secret Life of Walter Mitty it's

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really really well done all right the

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Ring of Fire must be the hot sauce IPD

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come on man behave behave I gotta

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concentrate all right our dead guys

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birthday today moment of silence please

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for mr. Layne Staley 1967 to 2002 died

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at the age of 34 lead vocalist

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occasional rhythm guitars and

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co-songwriter of Alice in Chains from

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1987 until 1998 for a mid 1996 onwards

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Staley was completely out of the public

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eye that's right never to perform live

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again

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he struggled much of his life with adult

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life with a depression and drug

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addiction which resulted in his death at

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the age of 34 on April 5th 2002 happy

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birthday lain on the same history OTD

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1982 OTD the shootings at Ruby Ridge and

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the second day of a standoff at Randy

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atop Ruby Ridge FBI sharpshooter lon

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horrid Lucci that's right Horry coochie

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wounds Randy Weaver his son and Kevin

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Harris and then and then kills Weaver's

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wife Vicky was it did they wondered

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Randy and Kevin Harris I thought if they

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wounded a son so it was Randy Weaver was

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wounded not his son or someone out to

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get the dog right and unbelievable on

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this day in 1992 I didn't want to think

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about a fader fact here we go

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free weights at your gym free weights at

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the gym that you work out at have 362

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times more bacteria than a toilet seat

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and that that is your fader fact tonight

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very special guest is with us Richard

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bleep and Dolan and I normally would say

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he is back but man it's been a long time

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since he's been here so it's just

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another show with Richard bleep and

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Dolan and tonight we're gonna go through

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everything in the UFO community and I

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don't want to hold back he never does so

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we're gonna go there tonight for two

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straight hours tomorrow night is another

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Fator night which ion Rappaport and his

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own more fake newsroom live with open

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lines all night long all right let me

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hit this River moon coffee promo code F

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to be blend yeah every day every day

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every single day I get a little smarter

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I do against Mota that's what life is

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all about learning learning something

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every single day last night we had dr.

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Robert Schoch on the show and there was

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an amazing conversation and we were

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talking about the Big Bang you remember

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that at the beginning of the show and

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the universe expanding and contracting

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and you know dark energy and you know

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contracting back to nothing the cycle of

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the universe the alleged the theory you

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know and then starting all over with

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another big bang and my concern with

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this is everything changing from

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something created in other words you

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know you start from the Big Bang you

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start with a nanner energy and that

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energy over about 300 400 thousand year

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period started colliding with itself and

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the elements were created and stars were

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created and planning and you know and so

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on and so on and so on and here we are

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today 13.8 billion years later right

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okay but if it's going to reverse

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direction our universe and and compact

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back onto itself to restart the Big Bang

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then you've got to change everything

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back from something to energy you know

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rocks dirt water elements all of it

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right back into energy and he suggested

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that antimatter could do it and I was

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like wow whoa big light bulb went off

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antimatter colliding with the matter in

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the universe is collapsing on itself and

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collapsing the the matter into the anti

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at her and turning everything back into

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energy made sense at the time

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right and okay I'm kind of good with it

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so I filed that away for future

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reference I'm gonna go tap back into

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that little nugget of knowledge from

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shock last night and it hasn't gone

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anywhere but after the show I continued

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some research on the subject I've been

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studying this for years and have really

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really spent a lot of time on it over

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the last year a lot and I jump back into

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it last night after the show and today

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today I'm right back where I was before

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the show last night yeah you see you

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have to look at it like this we have we

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have matter

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we have antimatter we have dark matter

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we have dark energy and we have gravity

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these are all of the things that are

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working in in our universe right in our

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solar system everywhere well I'm not

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sure how much dark energy and dark

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matter are inside of our solar system

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but certainly outside of our galaxy this

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stuff is all going nuts but we do have

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gravity here and although we don't

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understand anything about gravity other

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than it exists and listen go and talk to

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any physicist that you want to

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theoretical physicists theoretical

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cosmologists whoever you want to talk to

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and ask him about gravity or ask him

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about time and you're gonna get a

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different answer from each one nobody

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knows nothing we don't well you know

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what we know about gravity we know we

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know this about gravity it sucks right

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it sucks right it sucks this is you know

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it sucks right it's sucking we know that

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about gravity but everything else on

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what cause we don't know we don't know

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we just know it exists it's what holds

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our galaxies together and things are in

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different stages all right there's

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different things going on but that's

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what gravity is is doing inside of our

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galaxy

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dark energy on the other hand which is

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something that we know even less about

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then gravity okay which is you know very

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close to nothing dark energy is pushing

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everything outward it's like the

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opposite of gravity right

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the universe is an ever expanding

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balloon with this dark energy pushing

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everything out and we think today that

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it makes up as much as 80 percent of our

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universe is dark energy and we don't

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know anything about it

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we don't right just theoretically that

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is what's pushing everything out and

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because of that and especially that we

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don't understand much about it I don't

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see it reversing I just don't the dark

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energy is pushing everything apart I

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don't know what is gonna be the end of

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anything or if we're gonna eventually

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collide into another universe in in

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about a billion years oh okay

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which brings me to this next thought and

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I'm gonna get that to that in a second

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the the universe is expanding and

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eventually when you get outside of our

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galaxy you're not gonna see anything

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there except the closest galaxies to us

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the closest galaxies does is Andromeda

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and Andromeda isn't moving away from us

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with the rest of the universe it is not

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no it's in some kind of weird tide and

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it's coming towards us it's coming to

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the Milky Way and in about a billion

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years if we're around to hang out for it

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it's gonna collide eventually with the

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Milky Way so if you ever wonder how long

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would it take for us to to jet out to

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Andromeda and it's it's a long ways away

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but it would take a long time but if you

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just hang out here every day and rahmat

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is getting a little bit closer so

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eventually we'll just be able to you

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know just just just hop skip and jump

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over to it

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Andromeda is heading this way so which

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brought me to all of these weird

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thoughts all of these weird thoughts

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that I'm having and you are having I

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didn't get any sleep last night this

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came to me around 4:00 a.m. in the

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morning and it wasn't original because

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I've had it over and over and over again

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but how is it possible that I have these

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thoughts that that I have these concerns

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how is it possible

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let me explain do animals think like

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this probably not I don't see any lemurs

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you know sitting on their hands behind

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their head just man how did we get here

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you know no but something is making me

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think this way and I can't get my mind

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off of it I'm losing sleep I'm studying

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I'm trying to figure this stuff out

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and I'm finding out that all of the

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great scientists out there all of them

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are reversing even what they felt pretty

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good about 20-30 years ago all right

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they've reversed course the more the

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more that I think about it the more that

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I'm convinced that we have nothing to do

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with Earth yeah and and I think that's

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the haunting thing these memories the

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stuff is in our DNA we're getting we're

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getting closer to figuring it out

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because we were brought here there is no

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evidence anywhere about how we just

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managed to evolve over 200,000 years

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into us and all of you amateur

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anthropologist out there oh you haven't

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your historians save it don't post

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anywhere don't send me any email Church

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you don't know nothing I do I know

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a lot and we were just brought here

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there isn't anything anywhere that says

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how we evolved it's just impossible it's

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impossible to do what we have done over

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200,000 years there's no way we are

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getting smarter and smarter every single

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day and this one question is still not

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answered why because we didn't evolve

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here that's why and there's no way to

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prove it because it just doesn't exist

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not on this planet anyway we keep going

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back and we're trying to find the fossil

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record we're trying to figure it out

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we're trying to there how differ

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comb Agnon and I'm just going straight

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of Pittacus and the links and it just

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doesn't exist and we're trying to make

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it work but we can't because it's not

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there there is no way that we involved

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we evolved into who we are today we are

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the only thing on this planet that does

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what we do and it's because we were

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brought here and I'm laying awake at

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night thinking about this and

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contemplating what makes us so unique on

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this planet why hasn't anything else

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evolved why hasn't anything else change

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wasn't anything else more not over two

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hundred thousand years over tens of

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millions of years nothing has changed

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nothing has changed I'm I'm convinced

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that we were brought here and this this

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information our history it's in our DNA

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and it is surfacing and it is forcing us

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to ask these very important questions

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historians anthropologists professors

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phd's professionals they can't answer

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these questions they cannot do it they

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can't they can't i will go toe-to-toe

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with anybody any academic professional

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I'll go toe-to-toe on this they can

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argue

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the dogma but they can't prove anything

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it doesn't exist

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right all right

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this is fade to black tonight's gonna be

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an epic show why Richard bleep and Dolan

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is here tomorrow night we're gonna have

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China map report here with us no more

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fake newsroom we're gonna be taking your

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phone calls all night long now next week

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yeah I got your email you know who sent

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it I read the post on Twitter next week

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I'm gonna do a Twitter night okay so

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next week

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it's just gonna be you and I okay so get

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prepared for that that'll be next week

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and the lineup that we have oh by the

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way I don't want to disclose anything

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but we've got another first-time guest

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next week that I have no idea how this

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has slipped between the cracks but you

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just wait until next week and what is

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going on there

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this is fade to black I am your host

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Jimmy church tonight Richard bleep and

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Dolan all night long on the game changer

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Network and Katie are a the planet email

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is Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com

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Twitter is at J Church radio it's very

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simple isn't it chat rooms Spreaker and

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K GRA the planet I'll be right back with

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tonight's guest Richard Dolan stay with

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us

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tonight Richard Dolan he's one of the

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world's leading researchers and writers

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on the subject of UFOs that's right and

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he believes they constitute the greatest

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mystery of our time because it does

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richer completed his graduate graduate

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work at the University of Rochester

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where he studied us cold war strategy

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European history and international

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diplomacy before that he had studied at

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Alfred University in Oxford University

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and he has been a finalist for a Rhodes

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Scholarship he's the author of UFOs and

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national security state he co-authored

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with Bryce Abel ad after disclosure and

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his latest book UFOs in the 21st century

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mind yes and of course I'm gonna ask him

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about his forthcoming book on false

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flags he also hosts his weekly radio

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show right here on KCRA the Richard

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Dolan show and he's a frequent guest

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over at coast-to-coast

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am and he's currently featured on many

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television series and documentaries

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including ancient aliens hangar 1 UFO

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FILES Close Encounters and he's also got

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his new show over on Gaia TV in addition

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to his research he has Richard Dolan

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press and he actively publishes

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innovative books about authors from

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around the world tonight the gloves are

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round we're gonna discuss everything

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inside and outside of our UFO community

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and I would like to welcome back to fade

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to black the one and only Richard bleep

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and Dolan Richard good evening

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hello Jimmy mr. Jimmy it's a pleasure to

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be here it's do you know how long it's

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00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:11,859
been since you've been on the show what

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two weeks yeah you would think right

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thinking November 2017 no way yeah

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that's impossible I know I know you've

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done I know you've done some special

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appearances you've done some drive-bys

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but you haven't been on I

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how's that posture they song with you I

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know what

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where was that stack let me just had I

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sang pretty perfect harmony I made that

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song succeed you know when we when we

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hit them when we hit those harmonies and

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to watch a hundred and fifty people spin

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around and look and go wow they hit it

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it took two and a half minutes but they

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got there that's pretty cool man that

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was pretty cool actually I'm a bit

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surprised that it has been since

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November I know last I know yeah you did

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something in February a drive-by anyway

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welcome back man welcome back we talk

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often but it just is you didn't have you

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had someone I guess a family member

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yes someone that I'm married to yeah on

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00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:20,270
your show a couple of months ago and

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00:37:28,810 --> 00:37:23,000
that way and you did a drive-by that's

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all he did he stopped by so welcome back

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and so much has gone down this year but

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before we get there I want to I'm sure

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you were listening to my little opening

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statement and if you didn't blindside

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you right now okay in all of your UFO

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research the question that I often ask

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myself is how did we get here how did

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Homo sapiens sapiens I'm sure you've

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thought about that a lot and before I

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ask you that question you know how to

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make an okay sign right you know with

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your thumb and forefinger right you make

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the okay sign this is what I want you to

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do Richard after the show I want you to

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go outside of your beautiful home up

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there in upstate New York I want you to

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walk out look at the the night sky in

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the Stars find a blank spot a black spot

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where there's no stars and take the okay

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sign that you know how to make and go up

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to that blank spot in the sky hold it up

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and look through the okay sign because

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when you do that that little black chunk

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of the sky you are looking at 175,000

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galaxies that's amazing right that's

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amazing that's amazing when we think of

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it in that in that perspective 170 I

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realize just how how tiny we are we have

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our own grandness in our existence but

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when we do it what a beautiful thing to

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do and you know what I will do that

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Tracy and I will do that when we're done

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here it's an amazing I think it's a it's

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a beautiful and very thought-provoking

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00:39:15,849 --> 00:39:14,720
experience to do and I'm glad that you

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mentioned that so yeah thank you for

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that 175 to show and each one of those

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galaxies 500 billion to a trillion stars

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in Greenwich right and lo and you can do

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that anywhere in the night sky right and

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00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:37,430
go to the southern hemisphere and and

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and have another crack at it it's it's

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everywhere

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but the the thought of us being alone in

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this big beautiful universe of ours is

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00:39:54,549 --> 00:39:51,499
is is ludicrous it's just an

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00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:54,559
impossibility but how did we get here

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00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,710
Richard how did you get to the point

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where you are able to think

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intelligently and ask the questions

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laughs are we going here tonight yeah

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you know how is it possible that it's

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just us on this planet and nobody else

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is evolved in the last 10 20 million

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years but in 200 thousand years you

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evolved to the point where you could

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marry Tracy and and laugh and

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00:40:28,450 --> 00:40:26,059
contemplate and have emotions and and

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00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:28,460
wonder about the universe how is that

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possible well I I guess I have to say I

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don't know how it's possible but when

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when I reflect on it you know we we are

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told and scientists will tell us that

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the earth is about 4.6 billion years old

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we're told that life microbial life has

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existed on this planet for I don't know

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something like I think 3 billion years

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complex organisms much less than 1

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billion years or at least highly complex

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so all of this takes time to develop a

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certain level of complexity so that we

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we are able to exist and you know other

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00:41:14,769 --> 00:41:12,769
animals have different levels of

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consciousness and some have very eye

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00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:17,239
I would imagine very high levels of

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00:41:21,789 --> 00:41:19,910
consciousness in many cases but we have

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a certain uniqueness about us I think

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and it took a long time for us to get

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here on the other hand if you really

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00:41:32,739 --> 00:41:30,890
think about it we've organized a very

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high level of consciousness in less than

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1 billion years as far as life goes the

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00:41:41,859 --> 00:41:38,589
universe we believe this universe is

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00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:41,869
said to be about 13 to 14 billion years

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00:41:47,229 --> 00:41:45,049
old so I don't know you know they say

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but some scientists will say that

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consciousness is the whole point of this

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universe in fact that it is the

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00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:55,160
foundation of the universe and I'm

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00:41:58,809 --> 00:41:57,140
inclined to think maybe that's so I mean

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00:42:01,059 --> 00:41:58,819
I there's answers that I'll never ever

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00:42:03,489 --> 00:42:01,069
have but the one thing I'll just add

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00:42:06,219 --> 00:42:03,499
though before we move on to wherever you

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00:42:08,140 --> 00:42:06,229
want to go is that example you have of

764
00:42:11,169 --> 00:42:08,150
having the okay sign and looking at the

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00:42:14,109 --> 00:42:11,179
however many trillions of stars and

766
00:42:17,229 --> 00:42:14,119
billions of galaxies there is a there

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00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:17,239
was a great philosopher about 300 plus

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00:42:21,130 --> 00:42:19,130
years ago Blaise Pascal many people know

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00:42:24,939 --> 00:42:21,140
of him yeah he's actually one of my

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00:42:27,549 --> 00:42:24,949
favorites and Pascal made a comment once

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he he wrote you know when you look at

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this the the scale of the human being

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00:42:36,099 --> 00:42:34,429
we're so much tinier than the largest

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00:42:38,739 --> 00:42:36,109
expanse of the universe that were just

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00:42:42,999 --> 00:42:38,749
insignificant but we're so much larger

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00:42:44,289 --> 00:42:43,009
than the tiniest cellular organism or

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00:42:47,439 --> 00:42:44,299
whatever he was able to conceive of he

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00:42:49,809 --> 00:42:47,449
says the tiniest tiniest atom is as

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small to us as we are to the largest

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00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,409
galaxy says we're kind of in this

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00:42:56,819 --> 00:42:53,839
strange middle ground it seems and that

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00:42:59,109 --> 00:42:56,829
he said both of these extremes are

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00:43:00,789 --> 00:42:59,119
released from his perspective kind of uh

784
00:43:04,269 --> 00:43:00,799
knopf limits to us like we couldn't

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00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,279
really understand them it's kind of an

786
00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:05,839
interesting perspective you know like

787
00:43:09,819 --> 00:43:07,880
the tiniest of the tiny and

788
00:43:11,950 --> 00:43:09,829
rgeous of the large and of course three

789
00:43:14,499 --> 00:43:11,960
for centuries have gone by and and we

790
00:43:19,299 --> 00:43:14,509
are exploring those those great

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00:43:22,210 --> 00:43:19,309
mysteries pretty well but I still often

792
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:22,220
pondered on Pascal I think there's

793
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:27,200
there's so much that is like there are

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00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:29,150
different universes all around us all

795
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:31,369
the time the very great and the very

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00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:35,210
very small and so here we are in the

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00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:39,849
middle yeah and I the the part that that

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00:43:46,329 --> 00:43:43,730
really confuses me and we don't have the

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00:43:48,430 --> 00:43:46,339
answers for and it's unbelievable that

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00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:48,440
we don't well I know why we don't which

801
00:43:54,339 --> 00:43:51,980
is Homo sapiens sapiens two hundred

802
00:43:56,650 --> 00:43:54,349
thousand years on this planet two

803
00:44:03,759 --> 00:43:56,660
hundred thousand years that's it that's

804
00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:03,769
it I just I have been thinking about

805
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:06,140
this and Tracy could tell you like for

806
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:09,049
the last particularly the last month I

807
00:44:14,589 --> 00:44:11,930
have just on my own maybe it's the

808
00:44:16,809 --> 00:44:14,599
ancient aliens phenomenon and wondering

809
00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:16,819
about ancient astronauts and how did we

810
00:44:20,890 --> 00:44:18,950
get here just as you were asking but

811
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:20,900
I've I've actually been reading a few

812
00:44:25,450 --> 00:44:23,420
books just academic books standard

813
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:25,460
university books on human prehistory

814
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:27,049
because I'm trying to figure this out

815
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:28,730
and I want to know what what are the

816
00:44:33,220 --> 00:44:30,380
conventional historians and the

817
00:44:35,799 --> 00:44:33,230
conventional pre historians where are

818
00:44:37,749 --> 00:44:35,809
they at in human history because I want

819
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:37,759
to know what they know and then I want

820
00:44:40,839 --> 00:44:39,170
to know everything that like Graham

821
00:44:42,579 --> 00:44:40,849
Hancock knows and I want to know

822
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,589
everything that all these other people

823
00:44:46,990 --> 00:44:44,240
who are exploring this know because I

824
00:44:48,910 --> 00:44:47,000
I'm tired of not knowing it it's kind of

825
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:48,920
how I felt 25 years ago when I first

826
00:44:54,789 --> 00:44:51,710
encountered the UFO mystery in general

827
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,799
in the modern era I wanted to know what

828
00:44:58,660 --> 00:44:57,200
what the other experts knew I didn't

829
00:45:00,509 --> 00:44:58,670
like having this big question mark over

830
00:45:02,890 --> 00:45:00,519
my head and I'm I've been feeling lately

831
00:45:04,029 --> 00:45:02,900
very similarly relating to human

832
00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:04,039
prehistory so it's just kind of

833
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:05,900
interesting that you brought this up

834
00:45:10,839 --> 00:45:08,089
when you did see me I think it's been

835
00:45:14,109 --> 00:45:10,849
triggered in our DNA the information is

836
00:45:15,999 --> 00:45:14,119
there and suddenly we're starting to ask

837
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:16,009
you know some very big difficult

838
00:45:22,099 --> 00:45:17,640
questions

839
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:22,109
and the 200,000 years obviously is not

840
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:24,450
enough time for us to evolve into who we

841
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:27,170
are but the whole Missing Link issue

842
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,940
which has not been resolved and

843
00:45:34,549 --> 00:45:32,400
everything that exists on this planet in

844
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:34,559
the fossil record doesn't fit into us I

845
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:38,910
don't care what anthropologists say er I

846
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:41,369
don't know if I would agree with you I

847
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:44,579
mean there's always missing pieces of

848
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,680
the archaeological evidence because

849
00:45:51,049 --> 00:45:48,720
after all bones don't really survive

850
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:51,059
very well when you go thousands and

851
00:45:55,789 --> 00:45:52,890
millions of years and there's a lot of

852
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,799
history to cover but I don't know if I

853
00:45:59,029 --> 00:45:57,119
would agree that there's no missing link

854
00:46:00,680 --> 00:45:59,039
or I'm not sure if I really understand

855
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:00,690
even what that means anymore

856
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:03,000
two hundred thousand years ago we have

857
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:05,130
the first remains that we are aware of

858
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,260
of humans who are like us so that's

859
00:46:11,509 --> 00:46:09,839
homeless AP and sapiens as we call it at

860
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:11,519
the same time we had genetic cousins and

861
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:15,359
the under Thals who you could meet a

862
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:17,760
Neanderthal in a modern suit and you

863
00:46:21,259 --> 00:46:18,900
might think well it looks a little odd

864
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:21,269
but he seems like a regular guy so they

865
00:46:25,940 --> 00:46:24,480
they looked similar enough to us I mean

866
00:46:28,279 --> 00:46:25,950
there were differences of course but

867
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:28,289
they had a larger brain capacity than we

868
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:31,230
do actually and there was tough as nails

869
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:33,180
like tougher that any football player

870
00:46:39,230 --> 00:46:36,329
out there but they were you know they

871
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:39,240
lived during our period of time and a

872
00:46:43,999 --> 00:46:40,319
little bit before and then there were

873
00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:44,009
earlier versions of the human body plan

874
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:46,230
and new human being so I don't know I

875
00:46:48,799 --> 00:46:48,450
mean there I don't know all of the

876
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:48,809
answers

877
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:51,900
but it is it is very strange I will

878
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,690
agree a 200 thousand years is not a long

879
00:46:59,480 --> 00:46:56,640
time but then think about this this is

880
00:47:01,549 --> 00:46:59,490
something that's been dark guarding my

881
00:47:02,839 --> 00:47:01,559
attention which is we've been here two

882
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:02,849
hundred thousand years and we have had

883
00:47:06,980 --> 00:47:05,730
what we call civilization for less than

884
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:06,990
ten thousand years

885
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:09,990
less than that so we've had writing for

886
00:47:14,269 --> 00:47:11,880
roughly six thousand years

887
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:14,279
Kanaya form so as we know that was

888
00:47:20,269 --> 00:47:17,910
invented in Sumer about 4000 BCE so we

889
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:20,279
talk in 6000 years ago the wheel was

890
00:47:24,799 --> 00:47:22,980
invented around the same time shortly

891
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:24,809
before that we get some domestication of

892
00:47:28,579 --> 00:47:26,910
animals and of the grains so you

893
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:28,589
basically go back let's say ten thousand

894
00:47:34,090 --> 00:47:31,010
years and prior to that

895
00:47:36,580 --> 00:47:34,100
human beings lived exclusively as

896
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:36,590
hunters and gatherers for a hundred and

897
00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:39,950
ninety thousand of those years and and

898
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:42,680
then we began the most radical of

899
00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:44,690
transformations that is well you know

900
00:47:50,980 --> 00:47:48,920
the Agricultural Revolution and and

901
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:50,990
transformed we domesticated ourselves

902
00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:53,290
fundamentally and we changed ourselves

903
00:47:58,330 --> 00:47:55,880
biologically and of course socially and

904
00:48:00,970 --> 00:47:58,340
intellectually in many ways but that's

905
00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:00,980
the transformation that just keeps

906
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,310
getting my attention like we went as in

907
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:07,520
in a certain way for nearly two hundred

908
00:48:13,090 --> 00:48:09,290
thousand years and then BOOM

909
00:48:15,099 --> 00:48:13,100
changed ourselves completely I can't

910
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:15,109
wrap my brain around that no and and I

911
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:16,910
think about it all the time and this is

912
00:48:22,540 --> 00:48:19,490
my twisted this is my twisted way of

913
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:22,550
resolving the issue think about this for

914
00:48:32,349 --> 00:48:27,550
a second Richard you've got a cave man a

915
00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:32,359
cave man sitting in a cave wife walks in

916
00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:35,240
and she says what are you doing why

917
00:48:41,260 --> 00:48:37,790
aren't you out there getting some food

918
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,270
we need to survive another day and night

919
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:44,000
on this planet and he's sitting there

920
00:48:54,970 --> 00:48:47,359
and he says you know I just figured it

921
00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:54,980
out I've just domesticated wheat wait

922
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:57,710
wait wait we need to eat now no but I

923
00:49:03,099 --> 00:48:58,850
figured it out

924
00:49:06,750 --> 00:49:03,109
I've domesticated wheat how does that

925
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:06,760
light bulb go off with stone eh man

926
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:08,950
Denise you're reading a book on this and

927
00:49:14,140 --> 00:49:12,130
it's a very it's a book by a standard

928
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:14,150
university historian I'm just gonna

929
00:49:17,950 --> 00:49:15,440
mention maybe he's probably gonna be

930
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:17,960
horrified that a UFO guy is talking

931
00:49:22,270 --> 00:49:19,910
about his work because he's over I think

932
00:49:24,010 --> 00:49:22,280
at Yale or somewhere James C Scott a

933
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:24,020
book called against the grain and it's a

934
00:49:29,290 --> 00:49:27,710
really quite an excellent book on on how

935
00:49:30,609 --> 00:49:29,300
this all happened and one thing he

936
00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:30,619
points out and I have to say he really

937
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:32,150
is enlightened me on some of my

938
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:35,990
misconceptions his argument and I think

939
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:37,190
it sounds like he's got a reasonable

940
00:49:41,380 --> 00:49:38,570
argument is that the hunter-gatherers

941
00:49:43,060 --> 00:49:41,390
were not they had a pretty good life at

942
00:49:43,749 --> 00:49:43,070
least in certain certain parts of the

943
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:43,759
world certainly

944
00:49:48,009 --> 00:49:46,609
potamia ten plus thousand years ago that

945
00:49:49,989 --> 00:49:48,019
was a very good environment to live in

946
00:49:51,279 --> 00:49:49,999
they had a better diet they lived

947
00:49:53,979 --> 00:49:51,289
healthier that a larger brain capacity

948
00:49:56,469 --> 00:49:53,989
then the farmers did they had less

949
00:49:57,729 --> 00:49:56,479
drudgery in his argument so the question

950
00:50:00,669 --> 00:49:57,739
that he was asking is why bother

951
00:50:03,219 --> 00:50:00,679
domesticating grain at all and I haven't

952
00:50:05,939 --> 00:50:03,229
gotten to his crux yet as to why but I

953
00:50:09,669 --> 00:50:05,949
think the part of the answer is and

954
00:50:12,009 --> 00:50:09,679
population pressures that required that

955
00:50:15,729 --> 00:50:12,019
that grain provided a solution to but

956
00:50:17,979 --> 00:50:15,739
actually his argument is that if you

957
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:17,989
look at nomads around the world you have

958
00:50:24,249 --> 00:50:21,649
to really force them to bow down to

959
00:50:26,339 --> 00:50:24,259
agriculture like they have a life that

960
00:50:28,749 --> 00:50:26,349
they actually become quite attached to

961
00:50:30,759 --> 00:50:28,759
semi-nomadic and it's not all just one

962
00:50:32,349 --> 00:50:30,769
thing you've got pastoralism you've got

963
00:50:33,759 --> 00:50:32,359
they do have some grains that they will

964
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:33,769
grow it's not like they never grow

965
00:50:39,009 --> 00:50:35,599
anything so there's a little bit of this

966
00:50:41,889 --> 00:50:39,019
a little bit of that it's a very very

967
00:50:43,929 --> 00:50:41,899
interesting book and one thing that it

968
00:50:47,739 --> 00:50:43,939
really has helped me is it develop a

969
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:47,749
great appreciation for the incredible

970
00:50:52,659 --> 00:50:50,569
sophistication that was required to be a

971
00:50:55,149 --> 00:50:52,669
true hunter-gatherer you had to engage

972
00:50:57,099 --> 00:50:55,159
in nature in a way that even farmers

973
00:50:59,169 --> 00:50:57,109
don't really engage farmers grow one

974
00:51:00,489 --> 00:50:59,179
crop or a couple of crops and you know

975
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:00,499
of a couple of animals if you're a

976
00:51:05,979 --> 00:51:04,249
hunter-gatherer you have to know all the

977
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:05,989
bird patterns the migration patterns of

978
00:51:09,309 --> 00:51:07,609
all the animals and old everything else

979
00:51:11,409 --> 00:51:09,319
and you've got like a two-week window

980
00:51:14,589 --> 00:51:11,419
for this herd to come over here for

981
00:51:16,029 --> 00:51:14,599
their migration you've got a three week

982
00:51:19,439 --> 00:51:16,039
window for that one and you've got to be

983
00:51:24,370 --> 00:51:19,449
on top of all of it and it required a

984
00:51:26,409 --> 00:51:24,380
level of of cognition that what he I

985
00:51:28,629 --> 00:51:26,419
think he argued is that we actually kind

986
00:51:30,339 --> 00:51:28,639
of domed ourselves down with the advent

987
00:51:31,509 --> 00:51:30,349
of civilization and it's funny because

988
00:51:33,219 --> 00:51:31,519
you only could really get an academic

989
00:51:35,129 --> 00:51:33,229
making this argument but I think he

990
00:51:37,809 --> 00:51:35,139
really argues that the whole this whole

991
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:37,819
civilization thing was a big mistake so

992
00:51:42,819 --> 00:51:40,609
I'm not sure I'm going to go that far

993
00:51:45,099 --> 00:51:42,829
but I think that actually as part of his

994
00:51:46,479 --> 00:51:45,109
argument and from a certain point of

995
00:51:48,819 --> 00:51:46,489
view you could say well yeah the guy's

996
00:51:50,799 --> 00:51:48,829
got a point maybe we've dumbed ourselves

997
00:51:52,629 --> 00:51:50,809
down and it makes me think it makes me

998
00:51:55,689 --> 00:51:52,639
wonder you take this into our own

999
00:51:56,820 --> 00:51:55,699
civilization and all anyone has to do is

1000
00:51:58,860 --> 00:51:56,830
look around

1001
00:52:00,540 --> 00:51:58,870
and I'm not here to knock all of my

1002
00:52:02,310 --> 00:52:00,550
neighbors or knock anyone else that I'm

1003
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:02,320
friends with but you know most of us

1004
00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:04,210
what do we really do with our lives how

1005
00:52:09,210 --> 00:52:06,750
much are we really engaging ourselves

1006
00:52:11,070 --> 00:52:09,220
when it comes to our life in this world

1007
00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:11,080
and everything around us and how how

1008
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:12,820
deeply are most of us really thinking

1009
00:52:16,860 --> 00:52:14,710
about things and maybe the answer is not

1010
00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:16,870
so much and maybe the answer is we don't

1011
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:19,990
really do a whole lot compared to our

1012
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:21,610
ancestors of ten thousand twenty

1013
00:52:27,660 --> 00:52:25,030
thousand years ago when you're told you

1014
00:52:30,300 --> 00:52:27,670
know your whole life growing up all you

1015
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:30,310
need to do is get out of high school and

1016
00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:33,730
get a job get married so you can get

1017
00:52:37,770 --> 00:52:35,980
your first car and make your first car

1018
00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:37,780
payment and start to establish your

1019
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:40,030
credit because that's what life is about

1020
00:52:46,530 --> 00:52:42,910
and your golden ring at the end of the

1021
00:52:48,750 --> 00:52:46,540
rainbow is gonna be a paid-for house

1022
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:48,760
with a pool in the back and then you can

1023
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:50,710
have your children do the same thing

1024
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:53,380
that that is the meaning of life yeah

1025
00:52:59,790 --> 00:52:56,670
and like you can't convince me that

1026
00:53:01,260 --> 00:52:59,800
going to high school and sitting at the

1027
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:01,270
same desk and listening the same teacher

1028
00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:03,130
and talking to the same people day after

1029
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:04,900
day is going to be the same level of

1030
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,290
education as living out in the wild

1031
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:10,000
studying nature that's right on a daily

1032
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:11,110
basis like there's no way you're gonna

1033
00:53:14,670 --> 00:53:12,370
tell me that that's the same kind of

1034
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:14,680
mental experience I think there's

1035
00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:16,570
absolutely no comparison between the two

1036
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:18,580
and when you think of it that way you

1037
00:53:22,650 --> 00:53:21,130
really could argue we have not simply

1038
00:53:25,110 --> 00:53:22,660
domesticated us so we really have

1039
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:25,120
transformed ourselves as as he pointed

1040
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:27,210
out in this book against the green

1041
00:53:32,670 --> 00:53:30,730
physiologically but we've really we have

1042
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:32,680
truly domesticated not just the animals

1043
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:36,010
and grains but ourselves and in some

1044
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:39,370
ways it's it's made life easier in some

1045
00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:41,160
cases but in a lot of ways it's made it

1046
00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:44,200
perhaps much less interesting and and we

1047
00:53:49,590 --> 00:53:47,860
are much less engaged as actual animals

1048
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:49,600
and creatures on this planet than than

1049
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:53,710
our ancestors were well it may be part

1050
00:53:59,220 --> 00:53:56,110
of the bigger complex issue which is

1051
00:54:01,650 --> 00:53:59,230
we've got to go through breaking the

1052
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:01,660
system down before we can learn from our

1053
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:05,950
mistakes and maybe part of that is we

1054
00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:08,810
have to have a couple of generations

1055
00:54:13,630 --> 00:54:11,420
make it to the age of 65 and retire with

1056
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:13,640
their paid for house and the pool in the

1057
00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:16,930
back and they look around and asked

1058
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:21,020
themselves is this what life is all

1059
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:21,650
about

1060
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:23,930
exactly hey one of the greatest stories

1061
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:25,670
I tell us to everyone who bothers to ask

1062
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:29,150
me if it was really great okay Laurie

1063
00:54:32,830 --> 00:54:31,250
sweet well let me ask you what's a

1064
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:32,840
really great story that you can share

1065
00:54:38,380 --> 00:54:36,710
with us well I would say the best short

1066
00:54:40,750 --> 00:54:38,390
story that you could read in a day or

1067
00:54:42,580 --> 00:54:40,760
two is Leo Tolstoy is the death of Ivan

1068
00:54:44,170 --> 00:54:42,590
Illich and I would recommend it I've

1069
00:54:45,790 --> 00:54:44,180
recommended it for years and years and

1070
00:54:47,770 --> 00:54:45,800
I'll recommend it until I can't

1071
00:54:49,090 --> 00:54:47,780
recommend books anymore but Ivan Ilych

1072
00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:49,100
and I'm not going to give it away for

1073
00:54:52,270 --> 00:54:50,420
anyone who wants to read it but it's an

1074
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:52,280
absolute work of genius and it's it's a

1075
00:54:56,170 --> 00:54:54,500
little slice of genius by Tolstoy so he

1076
00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:56,180
wrote war and peace which of course is

1077
00:55:00,490 --> 00:54:58,370
always worth your effort as well as one

1078
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:00,500
of those once-in-a-lifetime things to do

1079
00:55:04,930 --> 00:55:02,810
but the death of Ivan Illich is a little

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00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:04,940
slice of that and it's about a 19th

1081
00:55:09,550 --> 00:55:07,250
century version of a yuppie basically

1082
00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:09,560
this guy named Ivan Illich was a lawyer

1083
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:11,900
and then it becomes a judge and then he

1084
00:55:15,460 --> 00:55:13,850
you know and he gets the house just like

1085
00:55:17,170 --> 00:55:15,470
everyone else gets and he thinks this is

1086
00:55:18,430 --> 00:55:17,180
what I wanted he has a wife that he's

1087
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:18,440
not really in love with and he's got

1088
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:20,690
kids that he's not really you know that

1089
00:55:23,950 --> 00:55:22,490
close to them and he's got his job his

1090
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:23,960
career and then he has an injury and

1091
00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:27,530
then he realizes he's dying and he goes

1092
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:30,520
through this long night of the soul

1093
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:32,930
first you know he's just obsessed with

1094
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:35,330
his own physical agony but then then he

1095
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:38,090
has a conversation and it's really with

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00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:40,850
his soul as what you find out and the

1097
00:55:47,950 --> 00:55:43,310
whole thing is what is it that matters

1098
00:55:50,290 --> 00:55:47,960
in life what and what what if I've lived

1099
00:55:52,690 --> 00:55:50,300
my life wrong

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00:55:54,610 --> 00:55:52,700
that's the question it's the question

1101
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,620
that haunts him and it's a question

1102
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,480
everyone should ask because when you get

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00:56:00,130 --> 00:55:58,640
to that certain point in your life at

1104
00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:00,140
the end of the road right because

1105
00:56:05,890 --> 00:56:03,110
everyone's got to get there we all have

1106
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:05,900
to deal with this the last thing any of

1107
00:56:10,030 --> 00:56:08,570
us wants after a lifetime of whatever it

1108
00:56:12,670 --> 00:56:10,040
is we think we're doing that's important

1109
00:56:16,210 --> 00:56:12,680
is when we stop and reflect and look

1110
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:16,220
back and we think I cannot believe I've

1111
00:56:21,070 --> 00:56:18,710
just wasted all of these years doing

1112
00:56:21,370 --> 00:56:21,080
fill in the blank that's what you don't

1113
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:21,380
want

1114
00:56:27,130 --> 00:56:24,410
that's right and Ivan Illich there's

1115
00:56:29,710 --> 00:56:27,140
another book that I've just written that

1116
00:56:30,969 --> 00:56:29,720
down I have not read it and I will but

1117
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:30,979
there's another book I'm going to

1118
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:33,170
recommend and and I do it all the time

1119
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:36,410
but it's called what makes Sammy one

1120
00:56:43,779 --> 00:56:38,900
have you ever read it I've never heard

1121
00:56:46,989 --> 00:56:43,789
ok bye bud Schulberg and it's about

1122
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:46,999
Sammy Glick it's about Hollywood now it

1123
00:56:54,249 --> 00:56:50,690
was written back in 1941 but I can

1124
00:56:56,739 --> 00:56:54,259
assure you Richard that everybody in

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00:56:59,950 --> 00:56:56,749
radio television in the movie industry

1126
00:57:03,069 --> 00:56:59,960
here in Southern California every

1127
00:57:05,890 --> 00:57:03,079
employee has read this book ok it's

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00:57:08,469 --> 00:57:05,900
required reading for survival in

1129
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,479
Hollywood but the the the message about

1130
00:57:13,499 --> 00:57:11,119
life and you can just get it from the

1131
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:13,509
title right what makes Sammy run and

1132
00:57:22,329 --> 00:57:18,640
read it it's it's an unbelievably harsh

1133
00:57:22,690 --> 00:57:22,339
real book I mean that's that's all I can

1134
00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:22,700
say

1135
00:57:30,219 --> 00:57:26,119
what makes Sammy run so there you go

1136
00:57:33,219 --> 00:57:30,229
yeah and so I have to the only

1137
00:57:35,140 --> 00:57:33,229
conclusion that I can come to I keep

1138
00:57:36,969 --> 00:57:35,150
going back to Ground Zero you know two

1139
00:57:38,289 --> 00:57:36,979
hundred thousand years it just doesn't

1140
00:57:40,509 --> 00:57:38,299
make a whole lot of sense we just

1141
00:57:42,370 --> 00:57:40,519
appeared here where did our intelligence

1142
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:42,380
come from you're absolutely right ten

1143
00:57:46,289 --> 00:57:44,450
thousand years ago everything just you

1144
00:57:50,219 --> 00:57:46,299
know started burning on all cylinders

1145
00:57:53,319 --> 00:57:50,229
and I I think we were placed here I

1146
00:57:53,890 --> 00:57:53,329
think we were dropped off and I'm ok

1147
00:57:57,370 --> 00:57:53,900
with that

1148
00:58:00,160 --> 00:57:57,380
I don't know if there's some wild cosmic

1149
00:58:02,589 --> 00:58:00,170
experience it's experiment if it was

1150
00:58:04,569 --> 00:58:02,599
just something that was on a media or an

1151
00:58:07,870 --> 00:58:04,579
asteroid that crashed here whatever it

1152
00:58:10,359 --> 00:58:07,880
the case may be but I just think we

1153
00:58:13,539 --> 00:58:10,369
appeared I don't think we evolved here

1154
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:13,549
and that's why the the historians and

1155
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:15,890
the anthropologists out there cannot

1156
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:18,650
prove any of this because the proof

1157
00:58:23,259 --> 00:58:20,960
isn't on earth it's somewhere I well I

1158
00:58:24,910 --> 00:58:23,269
guess I'm good I will say that I do I

1159
00:58:26,769 --> 00:58:24,920
don't believe that we were just placed

1160
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:26,779
here so how about I guess I'll disagree

1161
00:58:31,569 --> 00:58:28,640
with you respectfully that's fine

1162
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:31,579
but I do ask myself you know have we

1163
00:58:35,290 --> 00:58:33,410
been tweaked have we been managed

1164
00:58:37,090 --> 00:58:35,300
I mean I even according to any

1165
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:37,100
evolutionary standard human evolution

1166
00:58:40,510 --> 00:58:38,990
took place really rapidly you know you

1167
00:58:42,130 --> 00:58:40,520
look at animals like the shark they

1168
00:58:44,110 --> 00:58:42,140
haven't changed in millions of years the

1169
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:44,120
horse you go to the Museum of Natural

1170
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:46,010
History in New York City and you see a

1171
00:58:50,110 --> 00:58:48,170
beautiful exhibition of the evolution of

1172
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,120
the horse going back from like 50

1173
00:58:54,250 --> 00:58:51,920
million years ago to today and you the

1174
00:58:56,980 --> 00:58:54,260
horse back then was like the size of a

1175
00:58:58,840 --> 00:58:56,990
small dog and it didn't have hooves and

1176
00:59:01,300 --> 00:58:58,850
it evolved because well the environment

1177
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:01,310
involved but here we are much less than

1178
00:59:06,340 --> 00:59:03,530
50 million years really less and we've

1179
00:59:07,870 --> 00:59:06,350
just evolved very very rapidly indeed so

1180
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:07,880
there's something unusual about it and

1181
00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:10,970
and maybe I ask myself have we been

1182
00:59:20,290 --> 00:59:15,320
managed or modified and in the 200,000

1183
00:59:23,350 --> 00:59:20,300
years that our species has been here it

1184
00:59:25,660 --> 00:59:23,360
has there been room for either a a rise

1185
00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:25,670
and fall of some kind of civilization

1186
00:59:28,780 --> 00:59:27,230
that we haven't learned about and I

1187
00:59:30,460 --> 00:59:28,790
don't know the answer to that if

1188
00:59:33,450 --> 00:59:30,470
sometimes entertained all kinds of

1189
00:59:35,770 --> 00:59:33,460
possibilities or be have we been tweaked

1190
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,780
during that period of time and I again I

1191
00:59:39,220 --> 00:59:37,040
don't know the answer to these but this

1192
00:59:41,710 --> 00:59:39,230
is why you know when we look at the

1193
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,720
ancient UFO phenomenon there's no

1194
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:44,240
question that as far as long as human

1195
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:47,710
beings have been here we have we have

1196
00:59:54,850 --> 00:59:51,920
encountered what we believe is the other

1197
00:59:57,100 --> 00:59:54,860
whether it's the gods or other beings of

1198
01:00:00,160 --> 00:59:57,110
some sort like that's a long-standing

1199
01:00:03,940 --> 01:00:00,170
part maybe the longest-standing part of

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01:00:07,780 --> 01:00:03,950
our history and so there's there's a lot

1201
01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:07,790
of opportunity for there's a lot of

1202
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:09,260
holes in our history I guess I'll put it

1203
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:10,970
that way and I don't know if we're

1204
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:12,650
really gonna get the answers that we

1205
01:00:15,970 --> 01:00:14,630
want to this certainty that we want but

1206
01:00:19,330 --> 01:00:15,980
I do think that there's a lot of

1207
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:19,340
possibility for some unusual unusual

1208
01:00:22,810 --> 01:00:21,290
things in our in our deep history

1209
01:00:25,180 --> 01:00:22,820
because I'm not of the opinion that we

1210
01:00:27,220 --> 01:00:25,190
were dropped off here but I guess I

1211
01:00:28,570 --> 01:00:27,230
would be of the opinion that it is

1212
01:00:32,110 --> 01:00:28,580
possible that we've been managed in one

1213
01:00:34,510 --> 01:00:32,120
way or another last question before the

1214
01:00:36,310 --> 01:00:34,520
break what was the last song you

1215
01:00:38,530 --> 01:00:36,320
listened to Trudeau I was waiting for

1216
01:00:41,260 --> 01:00:38,540
this I know well it was I don't know if

1217
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:41,270
this counts but Tracy and I listened to

1218
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:43,850
the theme song of Game of Thrones so

1219
01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:46,130
that's a pretty cool song

1220
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:49,220
I just watched I got to think about it

1221
01:00:53,739 --> 01:00:51,410
I'll pick it up when we come back I just

1222
01:00:57,249 --> 01:00:53,749
watched the beginning of a new series

1223
01:00:59,079 --> 01:00:57,259
and the music was it's got to be the

1224
01:01:00,940 --> 01:00:59,089
same writer for Game of Thrones and I

1225
01:01:02,829 --> 01:01:00,950
did that last night it's so funny I'll

1226
01:01:05,979 --> 01:01:02,839
think about that and I'll bring it up

1227
01:01:09,249 --> 01:01:05,989
after the break before that I was in I

1228
01:01:11,410 --> 01:01:09,259
was out yes

1229
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:11,420
Oh and it was more than a woman by the

1230
01:01:17,229 --> 01:01:15,200
Bee Gees oh now now you're talking our

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01:01:18,849 --> 01:01:17,239
guest tonight Richard bleep and Dolan

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01:01:20,999 --> 01:01:18,859
I'm your host Jimmy church this is fade

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to black on the game changer network and

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kgr a the planet more Richard after this

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this is fade to black

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welcome back fade to black I'm your host

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Amy church our guest tonight Richard

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bleep and Dolan the segment of fade to

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it's right there Richard what we have to

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do this is this is what we have to do

1314
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:37,710
our next conference together is we've

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got to work out a BG song and and we got

1316
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:42,390
to work out those harmonies I can do the

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hi armies you want to do the Barry Gibb

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01:06:00,740 --> 01:05:59,040
yeah I can do the Barry Gibb that it

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will be the last conference we ever do

1320
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but we're gonna go down you know

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without without shame I think this goes

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awesome I have no shame in that at all I

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don't and whenever I let you know Rita

1324
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and I this was years ago went through a

1325
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,390
huge Bee Gees phase right do you know

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the live videos you know the music and

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01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:22,440
uh and I'm walking around the house

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01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:26,220
singing the Bee Gees and my best Barry

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Gibb and I swear I've never had more

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objects thrown at me it's like honey I

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have it I know you don't you think very

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givers is unique like he just owned that

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falsetto he just leaned right into it

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and he just did it like no one else that

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work that guy made it work he did any

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01:06:56,300 --> 01:06:52,110
and he had teeth you know

1337
01:06:58,580 --> 01:06:56,310
just amazing teeth okay let's let's

1338
01:07:01,460 --> 01:06:58,590
let's let's change gears let's get off

1339
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:01,470
the Bee Gees and talk some UFOs here we

1340
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:02,010
are

1341
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:05,940
Richard we're at the end of August 2018

1342
01:07:10,820 --> 01:07:08,610
is about to end I know it sounds crazy

1343
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:10,830
but we can chalk off another year on

1344
01:07:18,830 --> 01:07:14,160
this beautiful blue blue planet but it's

1345
01:07:20,750 --> 01:07:18,840
coming up to almost a year now since TT

1346
01:07:21,740 --> 01:07:20,760
essays to the stars Academy's

1347
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:21,750
announcement

1348
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:25,140
and the New York Times back in December

1349
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:29,010
and it's kind of fizzled and I don't

1350
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:30,810
want to have that you know I'm a

1351
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:35,160
glass-half-full kind of guy but what

1352
01:07:41,660 --> 01:07:39,630
happened oh I don't know I'm taking a

1353
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:41,670
different perspective on this first of

1354
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:43,650
all when when the New York Times in the

1355
01:07:51,260 --> 01:07:45,660
Washington Post did their pieces on this

1356
01:07:53,420 --> 01:07:51,270
back in December just 2017 we a lot of

1357
01:07:55,940 --> 01:07:53,430
people I guess will say oh my god this

1358
01:07:59,839 --> 01:07:55,950
was the most amazing thing hallelujah

1359
01:08:01,310 --> 01:07:59,849
its disclosure and how no one has any

1360
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:01,320
historical memory I mean for me I

1361
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:03,720
thought oh yeah it's kind of cool this

1362
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:05,400
is not the worst article I would

1363
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:06,720
normally expect out of the New York

1364
01:08:10,030 --> 01:08:08,730
Times or The Washington Post which I

1365
01:08:12,260 --> 01:08:10,040
think are both too reprehensible

1366
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,270
publications and I just have to say this

1367
01:08:16,249 --> 01:08:14,640
because it's true but yes the Articles

1368
01:08:19,370 --> 01:08:16,259
that they did particularly the two that

1369
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:19,380
were in the New York Times were at least

1370
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:22,049
reasonable beginning points so they were

1371
01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:25,890
not terrible they definitely had their

1372
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,440
own spin to them but we'll leave that

1373
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:30,719
aside it was it was good that they did

1374
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:34,410
it but you know we forget that through

1375
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:36,810
the previous decades going back even

1376
01:08:41,959 --> 01:08:39,330
into the 1940s and 50s and 60s and every

1377
01:08:45,260 --> 01:08:41,969
decade one can imagine there were they

1378
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:45,270
have always been major revelations

1379
01:08:49,970 --> 01:08:48,299
concerning the UFO phenomenon and

1380
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:49,980
reality they have never stopped

1381
01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:53,489
they have continually put themselves

1382
01:09:00,650 --> 01:08:56,279
right right in our front wrote in our

1383
01:09:01,999 --> 01:09:00,660
front vision here and you know the 1950s

1384
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:02,009
had there a moment where people thought

1385
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:03,330
oh wow the government is going to have

1386
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:04,739
to acknowledge the reality of this in

1387
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,330
the 1960s had there a moment where we

1388
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:07,920
thought looks like the government may

1389
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:09,299
just acknowledge the reality of this and

1390
01:09:13,459 --> 01:09:11,130
it happened in the late 70s with freedom

1391
01:09:15,769 --> 01:09:13,469
of information and it happened briefly

1392
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:15,779
during parts of the 1980s even and then

1393
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:18,690
in the 1990s and then and with the

1394
01:09:20,809 --> 01:09:20,310
various press conferences of the 21st

1395
01:09:22,820 --> 01:09:20,819
century

1396
01:09:25,670 --> 01:09:22,830
sometimes people wondered and and now

1397
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:25,680
here we are again so this is actually

1398
01:09:33,370 --> 01:09:29,819
part of a much longer pattern of the UFO

1399
01:09:35,599 --> 01:09:33,380
phenomenon occasionally getting

1400
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:35,609
significant attention

1401
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:38,460
and then it's almost like we have this

1402
01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:40,380
constant state of amnesia that just

1403
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:43,620
comes over us as a society now is that

1404
01:09:49,450 --> 01:09:46,920
happening again in terms of TTS a seems

1405
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:49,460
to me that a lot of attention

1406
01:09:54,980 --> 01:09:51,480
particularly in the beginning was was

1407
01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:54,990
put on on Tom DeLonge understandable

1408
01:10:00,100 --> 01:09:57,450
he's a singer and a band and he was the

1409
01:10:02,810 --> 01:10:00,110
front person of this organization but

1410
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:02,820
the one that I'm interested in and

1411
01:10:07,490 --> 01:10:03,960
really is the only one that I personally

1412
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:07,500
know is how put off and I find help put

1413
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:10,890
offs involvement in this to continue to

1414
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:14,400
be quite fascinating and you know it's

1415
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:16,920
funny watching I'm over on the sidelines

1416
01:10:22,190 --> 01:10:19,290
here watching people talk about TTS a

1417
01:10:24,620 --> 01:10:22,200
and lots of people say it's a CIA

1418
01:10:27,290 --> 01:10:24,630
operation don't trust them or it's a

1419
01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:27,300
money-making operation don't trust it I

1420
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:29,100
guess I would say well first of all it's

1421
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:30,330
not a crime to make money and if you

1422
01:10:33,230 --> 01:10:31,530
want to make money out of something go

1423
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:33,240
do it the only thing is don't destroy

1424
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:35,820
the subject you're working if you're

1425
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:36,930
going to make money off of it but

1426
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:39,360
nothing wrong with that in terms of the

1427
01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:41,730
CIA that's a little different so what is

1428
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:43,560
the motivation of these guys well I look

1429
01:10:48,830 --> 01:10:47,370
at put offs company earth tech and I

1430
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,840
mean I just find it fascinating in the

1431
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:50,400
last couple of weeks he puts they put

1432
01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:51,810
out this press conference they're

1433
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:54,840
looking for essentially materials from

1434
01:10:58,850 --> 01:10:56,970
crash retrievals I'm like are you

1435
01:11:00,130 --> 01:10:58,860
serious and that is essentially what

1436
01:11:02,810 --> 01:11:00,140
they're they were putting this out there

1437
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:02,820
like how is that not interesting I think

1438
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:05,570
that's quite fascinating I listened very

1439
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:07,890
very with a great deal of attention to

1440
01:11:12,620 --> 01:11:09,570
help put off speech that he gave to the

1441
01:11:15,290 --> 01:11:12,630
Society of scientific exploration SSC

1442
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:15,300
last June not that long ago and for

1443
01:11:18,980 --> 01:11:16,620
anyone who is listening to that

1444
01:11:21,740 --> 01:11:18,990
carefully that was one bombshell after

1445
01:11:24,710 --> 01:11:21,750
another so there's a lot of interesting

1446
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:24,720
stuff that's out there for anyone who's

1447
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:27,960
willing to listen and I think part of

1448
01:11:32,420 --> 01:11:30,210
the the situation is that people really

1449
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:32,430
are expecting it's like the second

1450
01:11:36,500 --> 01:11:34,650
coming you know coming down giving us

1451
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:36,510
disclosure and solving all of our

1452
01:11:41,210 --> 01:11:39,510
problems all at once and I don't really

1453
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:41,220
know all of the motivations for these

1454
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:43,050
for everyone in TTS a I'm sure

1455
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:45,690
everyone's got their own selfish reason

1456
01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:46,500
for doing what they do

1457
01:11:48,819 --> 01:11:48,150
everyone does there's no exception to

1458
01:11:50,530 --> 01:11:48,829
that rule

1459
01:11:52,209 --> 01:11:50,540
so that doesn't make them different from

1460
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,219
anyone else the real thing that I want

1461
01:11:57,310 --> 01:11:54,800
to know is what are they offering us are

1462
01:12:00,399 --> 01:11:57,320
they really fizzling out well maybe

1463
01:12:01,899 --> 01:12:00,409
maybe not and I'm my attitude is I'm

1464
01:12:04,629 --> 01:12:01,909
just gonna take the long view on this

1465
01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:04,639
and see how this all all plays out but

1466
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:06,110
I'm just I'm not gonna go down the road

1467
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:09,880
of so many people have said this is

1468
01:12:15,850 --> 01:12:15,199
total CIA disinformation well show me

1469
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:15,860
how

1470
01:12:23,799 --> 01:12:20,480
would say is that the coverage by the

1471
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,809
New York Times and particularly by the

1472
01:12:29,549 --> 01:12:24,880
Washington Post

1473
01:12:32,620 --> 01:12:29,559
are always to be taken as propaganda

1474
01:12:34,510 --> 01:12:32,630
always like without exception and and I

1475
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:34,520
respect Leslie Kane by the way and she

1476
01:12:38,290 --> 01:12:36,409
was when the key author of The New York

1477
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,300
Times pieces but that doesn't change the

1478
01:12:41,410 --> 01:12:40,400
reality of what what she has to deal

1479
01:12:45,209 --> 01:12:41,420
with when you're dealing with an

1480
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:45,219
organization like the New York Times so

1481
01:12:51,220 --> 01:12:48,170
so spin is involved connections with

1482
01:12:53,470 --> 01:12:51,230
national security are involved yes but

1483
01:12:55,450 --> 01:12:53,480
nonetheless genuine information came out

1484
01:12:57,729 --> 01:12:55,460
look they gave us a lot of publicity on

1485
01:13:00,189 --> 01:12:57,739
the tic-tac UFO incident from 2004

1486
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:00,199
that's important they gave us

1487
01:13:05,229 --> 01:13:02,840
information on other events the gimble

1488
01:13:08,169 --> 01:13:05,239
UFO video and I know folks over at meta

1489
01:13:10,060 --> 01:13:08,179
bunk have tried to debunk it and I

1490
01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:10,070
listened to that argument very very

1491
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:11,630
carefully and there's some brilliant

1492
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:14,690
people on that site without a doubt but

1493
01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:17,210
I listened to put off talk about that I

1494
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:18,409
listened to some of the other folks

1495
01:13:22,810 --> 01:13:19,760
involved talked about it and they are

1496
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:22,820
standing by it and until they completely

1497
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:25,040
disavow it I'm going to find that

1498
01:13:29,260 --> 01:13:26,449
interesting and I don't I don't believe

1499
01:13:31,629 --> 01:13:29,270
that that that video is a hoax I don't

1500
01:13:33,879 --> 01:13:31,639
believe that the audio is a hoax so if

1501
01:13:36,339 --> 01:13:33,889
those Navy pilots were mystified by that

1502
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:36,349
particular object then I don't believe

1503
01:13:40,780 --> 01:13:37,610
that they were chasing down some

1504
01:13:42,669 --> 01:13:40,790
commercial airliner as has been argued

1505
01:13:44,589 --> 01:13:42,679
so there's there's something about it

1506
01:13:45,819 --> 01:13:44,599
that's interesting to me so they've

1507
01:13:47,770 --> 01:13:45,829
given us a few things I had a long

1508
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:47,780
conversation about this with Peter

1509
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:48,320
lavinda

1510
01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:50,480
who has you know and I'm sure as many

1511
01:13:54,850 --> 01:13:52,070
listeners note co-authored a book with

1512
01:13:55,569 --> 01:13:54,860
Tom DeLonge I have great respect for

1513
01:13:56,879 --> 01:13:55,579
Peter lavinda

1514
01:13:59,859 --> 01:13:56,889
always have I've known him for years

1515
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,869
he's a very serious minded individual

1516
01:14:04,660 --> 01:14:02,000
and a very insightful person and

1517
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:04,670
you know I have my own radio program I

1518
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:06,890
had him on and he gave a very spirited

1519
01:14:11,290 --> 01:14:08,960
defense of what they were trying to do

1520
01:14:11,770 --> 01:14:11,300
and his attitude was look what do people

1521
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,780
want

1522
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:13,760
we've given doubt we put out videos

1523
01:14:20,980 --> 01:14:17,330
we've we've handed things to them and

1524
01:14:22,590 --> 01:14:20,990
everyone wants to attack us well I mean

1525
01:14:26,230 --> 01:14:22,600
there's two sides to every story here

1526
01:14:27,730 --> 01:14:26,240
but from their point of view they didn't

1527
01:14:28,990 --> 01:14:27,740
you know they did what they could do it

1528
01:14:30,460 --> 01:14:29,000
was a sloppy rollout

1529
01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:30,470
I mean without a doubt meaning

1530
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:34,310
completely just horrible mylar balloon

1531
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:36,560
and all that other nonsense was just was

1532
01:14:41,710 --> 01:14:40,370
just awful but I'm not really willing to

1533
01:14:43,690 --> 01:14:41,720
say that it's fizzle out I want to see

1534
01:14:45,250 --> 01:14:43,700
where this goes and I'm particularly got

1535
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:45,260
my eyes on how put off and I want to see

1536
01:14:50,140 --> 01:14:46,970
what he's up to over the next few weeks

1537
01:14:54,430 --> 01:14:50,150
and months and years I I was the

1538
01:14:58,990 --> 01:14:54,440
opposite of of you with my reaction to

1539
01:15:04,330 --> 01:14:59,000
December 2017 in that I nearly crashed

1540
01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:04,340
my car I was I did I almost hit a bus I

1541
01:15:12,190 --> 01:15:07,190
was I was making a right it's a true

1542
01:15:14,380 --> 01:15:12,200
story man and and so I once I vetted

1543
01:15:16,270 --> 01:15:14,390
everything and saw the explosion I heard

1544
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,280
it over and over again we we went live

1545
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:18,800
that was on a Saturday and we went live

1546
01:15:25,090 --> 01:15:22,250
with a special broadcast and and my

1547
01:15:27,790 --> 01:15:25,100
enthusiasm and my happiness for the UFO

1548
01:15:29,500 --> 01:15:27,800
community was I mean I just was it's

1549
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:29,510
without measure I was just so excited

1550
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:35,090
and but it is been a steady decline the

1551
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:37,970
sense then and it's almost like it's

1552
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:41,600
it's kind of grounded out and there was

1553
01:15:48,580 --> 01:15:45,530
an opportunity there for to the stars to

1554
01:15:51,910 --> 01:15:48,590
keep their foot on the gas and and keep

1555
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:51,920
this rolling and it's you know since

1556
01:15:56,260 --> 01:15:54,410
then it's it's been a lot of repeating

1557
01:15:58,630 --> 01:15:56,270
of the same information over and over

1558
01:16:01,090 --> 01:15:58,640
again in the media you know it's their

1559
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:01,100
their PA our firm is is trying to keep

1560
01:16:06,820 --> 01:16:03,710
the story alive no doubt but I don't

1561
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:06,830
know where they're gonna go next it has

1562
01:16:13,090 --> 01:16:10,880
to be an elevated thing and it's for me

1563
01:16:14,980 --> 01:16:13,100
it's you know my fingers are crossed

1564
01:16:15,729 --> 01:16:14,990
Richard I know part of it has to do with

1565
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:15,739
the kind

1566
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:17,420
hero-worship that really did happen of

1567
01:16:21,129 --> 01:16:19,190
Tom DeLonge himself and I'm not trying

1568
01:16:23,649 --> 01:16:21,139
to knock him by the way I mean I met him

1569
01:16:26,290 --> 01:16:23,659
one time and I thought he was he was

1570
01:16:28,209 --> 01:16:26,300
very decent with me and I had a very it

1571
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:28,219
was fine you know I had had this was a

1572
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:30,530
couple of years before all this kind of

1573
01:16:36,459 --> 01:16:34,489
blew up and but I mean honestly I mean

1574
01:16:39,310 --> 01:16:36,469
people kind of invested him is like you

1575
01:16:42,009 --> 01:16:39,320
know the new Jesus the Disclosure Jesus

1576
01:16:43,959 --> 01:16:42,019
and I mean this is just like maybe he he

1577
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:43,969
kind of played into it as well I mean he

1578
01:16:49,839 --> 01:16:48,170
actually I think probably did but no

1579
01:16:54,129 --> 01:16:49,849
come on this was just ridiculous and

1580
01:16:56,410 --> 01:16:54,139
then he just he his leadership really

1581
01:16:58,089 --> 01:16:56,420
had it has to be criticized I mean and

1582
01:17:01,689 --> 01:16:58,099
Here I am a Monday morning quarterbacks

1583
01:17:03,609 --> 01:17:01,699
from all over here but some of his

1584
01:17:05,620 --> 01:17:03,619
public appearances were just not not

1585
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:05,630
good they were not helpful and they did

1586
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:09,530
not help the cause and so you know you

1587
01:17:14,589 --> 01:17:13,280
have this initial rollout that's got all

1588
01:17:17,259 --> 01:17:14,599
these bells and whistles and hope

1589
01:17:19,629 --> 01:17:17,269
attached to it and then suddenly by

1590
01:17:20,859 --> 01:17:19,639
really January or in February the latest

1591
01:17:23,620 --> 01:17:20,869
crashing and burning

1592
01:17:24,489 --> 01:17:23,630
so it was it was a it was a spectacle

1593
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,499
without a doubt

1594
01:17:29,489 --> 01:17:26,719
but when see the thing is with me like

1595
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,499
if the President or of any president

1596
01:17:33,549 --> 01:17:31,760
whether it would be Obama or Trump or

1597
01:17:36,939 --> 01:17:33,559
whoever comes after we're to come in and

1598
01:17:38,290 --> 01:17:36,949
say UFOs are real I actually I don't

1599
01:17:40,779 --> 01:17:38,300
know how emotional I would get I would

1600
01:17:42,879 --> 01:17:40,789
be like oh cool like and then now we've

1601
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:42,889
got more work to do we have work to do

1602
01:17:48,279 --> 01:17:45,289
like I it's just how I am I don't really

1603
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:48,289
get it I don't I don't get that way so

1604
01:17:56,799 --> 01:17:54,800
for me I I feel like you know I wouldn't

1605
01:17:58,419 --> 01:17:56,809
I wouldn't be inclined to get overly

1606
01:17:59,770 --> 01:17:58,429
disappointed because I don't expect I

1607
01:18:01,720 --> 01:17:59,780
don't expect anything to work out

1608
01:18:05,020 --> 01:18:01,730
perfectly ever I just don't not in this

1609
01:18:06,609 --> 01:18:05,030
world we've got this great ability this

1610
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:06,619
species of ours in this power structure

1611
01:18:10,270 --> 01:18:08,090
of ours to just screw things up royally

1612
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:10,280
so there'll be good things in the future

1613
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:12,710
and disclosure if there ever is a

1614
01:18:16,989 --> 01:18:15,710
genuine disclosure or even a deceptive

1615
01:18:20,919 --> 01:18:16,999
disclosure which i think is much more

1616
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,929
likely anyway if that happens it's not

1617
01:18:25,779 --> 01:18:22,400
the end of the world if it's deceptive

1618
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,789
it's it's our job always our job to keep

1619
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:27,760
moving that ball forward

1620
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:29,920
so that's really how it is and and you

1621
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:33,280
know TT essays got their part it has

1622
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:35,770
been a part and they actually it hasn't

1623
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:37,810
been a waste of time hasn't been a waste

1624
01:18:40,140 --> 01:18:38,410
of time

1625
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:40,150
you know we're still in a different

1626
01:18:45,150 --> 01:18:42,640
place now psychologically as a society

1627
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:45,160
right now than we were before December

1628
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:47,650
of 2017 so there has been that change

1629
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:49,810
and one thing that it has to be said in

1630
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:51,520
that in that New York those New York

1631
01:18:56,180 --> 01:18:54,640
Times pieces is that TTS a really got no

1632
01:18:59,520 --> 01:18:56,190
credit for any of that stuff but they

1633
01:19:02,400 --> 01:18:59,530
everyone knows they were behind the

1634
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:02,410
publication of those articles they were

1635
01:19:07,710 --> 01:19:05,110
pushing it so that's a positive thing

1636
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:07,720
and whatever else happens if they do

1637
01:19:11,610 --> 01:19:10,239
nothing else the ball has been moved a

1638
01:19:13,890 --> 01:19:11,620
little bit farther down the field in my

1639
01:19:17,010 --> 01:19:13,900
opinion if you were sitting if you were

1640
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:17,020
in an advisory capacity for to the stars

1641
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:19,840
I'm what what is it that they should do

1642
01:19:26,660 --> 01:19:24,010
next well they need to do some some

1643
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:26,670
serious and well-thought-out

1644
01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:30,489
public statements and like serious so

1645
01:19:36,150 --> 01:19:34,270
like not goof goofy stuff like a few

1646
01:19:37,890 --> 01:19:36,160
interviews that that probably and who

1647
01:19:40,410 --> 01:19:37,900
has been following this would can can

1648
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:40,420
think about but like serious-minded

1649
01:19:47,370 --> 01:19:43,890
interviews that are professional and

1650
01:19:50,850 --> 01:19:47,380
that actually have genuine information

1651
01:19:52,740 --> 01:19:50,860
to provide and again I think some of the

1652
01:19:55,550 --> 01:19:52,750
statements recently that they've just

1653
01:19:59,340 --> 01:19:55,560
made relating to we're interested in

1654
01:20:01,410 --> 01:19:59,350
studying alleged crash retrievals I mean

1655
01:20:03,780 --> 01:20:01,420
holy smokes pal put off all but

1656
01:20:09,060 --> 01:20:03,790
practically stated in his speech last

1657
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:09,070
June that you know they had crash

1658
01:20:13,979 --> 01:20:12,010
retrieval materials that were completely

1659
01:20:15,180 --> 01:20:13,989
unexplainable technologically I mean I

1660
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:15,190
don't how much more clearly you could

1661
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:16,690
have said it other than just saying it

1662
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:19,860
so they've actually put a lot of

1663
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:21,970
interesting information out there in

1664
01:20:30,420 --> 01:20:25,120
that manner but I think yeah they need

1665
01:20:33,050 --> 01:20:30,430
to really they need a better better

1666
01:20:40,050 --> 01:20:33,060
public relations presentation for sure

1667
01:20:42,030 --> 01:20:40,060
the if I was and yourself included III

1668
01:20:46,650 --> 01:20:42,040
very highly of you if you were in

1669
01:20:49,130 --> 01:20:46,660
possession of some type of material and

1670
01:20:52,170 --> 01:20:49,140
I don't know what that material could be

1671
01:20:54,590 --> 01:20:52,180
but you would disclose it I think you

1672
01:20:59,000 --> 01:20:54,600
would have a press conference you would

1673
01:21:01,440 --> 01:20:59,010
completely reveal what you have and

1674
01:21:05,070 --> 01:21:01,450
sitting on this or saying it's in to me

1675
01:21:08,820 --> 01:21:05,080
it's in a warehouse in Las Vegas or it's

1676
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:08,830
in Texas and and we're studying it that

1677
01:21:14,580 --> 01:21:12,400
that's you need to be a martyr you know

1678
01:21:17,340 --> 01:21:14,590
you need to just go you need to just

1679
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:17,350
expose it show us and tell us where it

1680
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:18,970
came from did it come from the Pentagon

1681
01:21:23,250 --> 01:21:20,260
did it come from the military-industrial

1682
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:23,260
complex was it sent to you from somebody

1683
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:26,080
in the middle of Kansas and I would I

1684
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:28,030
would I'm pretty sure that I would do

1685
01:21:33,180 --> 01:21:30,250
that I think that I would be as open as

1686
01:21:34,770 --> 01:21:33,190
I could possibly be about it my guess I

1687
01:21:37,530 --> 01:21:34,780
don't know what they've got in that Las

1688
01:21:40,710 --> 01:21:37,540
Vegas warehouse that's apparently run by

1689
01:21:42,990 --> 01:21:40,720
Robert Bigelow but I suspect that the

1690
01:21:44,940 --> 01:21:43,000
bismuth magnesium piece at how put off

1691
01:21:47,700 --> 01:21:44,950
talked about in his June speech this

1692
01:21:49,410 --> 01:21:47,710
year is one of those pieces that they're

1693
01:21:51,420 --> 01:21:49,420
talking about in fact the provenance of

1694
01:21:53,790 --> 01:21:51,430
that isn't a crash retrieval at least we

1695
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:53,800
don't know the Providence of that one

1696
01:21:58,410 --> 01:21:55,930
that actually was sent to art Bell years

1697
01:22:00,780 --> 01:21:58,420
ago back in the night using from a

1698
01:22:04,230 --> 01:22:00,790
source that they they couldn't test but

1699
01:22:06,930 --> 01:22:04,240
according to hell in his lecture on this

1700
01:22:08,460 --> 01:22:06,940
you know back in the 90s no one could

1701
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:08,470
understand what this thing was what it

1702
01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:10,330
was for what his properties were until

1703
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:13,270
only recently he argued are we actually

1704
01:22:16,860 --> 01:22:15,250
beginning to understand some of the

1705
01:22:18,990 --> 01:22:16,870
waveguide properties of this thing and

1706
01:22:21,420 --> 01:22:19,000
it's the highly sophisticated piece of

1707
01:22:24,030 --> 01:22:21,430
machinery and no one no one knows how

1708
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:24,040
who made it or how it was made so it's

1709
01:22:29,490 --> 01:22:26,530
interesting you know what else does

1710
01:22:31,230 --> 01:22:29,500
Bigelow have time to find out I have no

1711
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:31,240
idea what he's got there and I agree

1712
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:32,770
with you like this has to be out there

1713
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:34,960
and by the way where's where's our

1714
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:38,050
corporate media where where is the New

1715
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:39,280
York Times and I'm not faulting the

1716
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:40,690
writers of that article I know that they

1717
01:22:44,820 --> 01:22:42,490
have no power but all these decisions

1718
01:22:46,410 --> 01:22:44,830
are made in the upper echelons of the

1719
01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:46,420
New York Times and Washington Post and

1720
01:22:50,190 --> 01:22:48,910
the corporate media which we all know if

1721
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:50,200
you don't know about what operation

1722
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:51,730
Mockingbird was you can look it up it

1723
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,350
still exists

1724
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:55,840
all right and so they have decided not

1725
01:23:00,450 --> 01:22:58,480
to follow up and to ask these very

1726
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:00,460
questions what's in that warehouse

1727
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:02,770
when can we see it what studies have

1728
01:23:07,770 --> 01:23:05,290
been made of it how did you acquire it

1729
01:23:09,870 --> 01:23:07,780
you know all the all of the reasonable

1730
01:23:12,270 --> 01:23:09,880
logical questions that everyone would

1731
01:23:14,940 --> 01:23:12,280
have about it no one in the

1732
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:14,950
establishment media has asked a single

1733
01:23:19,980 --> 01:23:17,290
question and that should tell us all we

1734
01:23:22,020 --> 01:23:19,990
need to know about how how well they do

1735
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:22,030
their jobs which is not well at all

1736
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:26,650
well the that that article when I read

1737
01:23:30,750 --> 01:23:28,570
through it the first time a secret

1738
01:23:32,910 --> 01:23:30,760
Pentagon program no surprise there

1739
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:32,920
there's there's plenty of those to go

1740
01:23:38,340 --> 01:23:36,130
around we know there were multiple of

1741
01:23:41,010 --> 01:23:38,350
those programs right and right none of

1742
01:23:44,130 --> 01:23:41,020
that you know a pilot coming forward you

1743
01:23:48,750 --> 01:23:44,140
know David flavor great guy up standard

1744
01:23:51,900 --> 01:23:48,760
- no doubt right all cool the one thing

1745
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:51,910
in that article was the warehouse in Las

1746
01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:54,010
Vegas it's like wait a minute here

1747
01:24:00,300 --> 01:23:57,850
that's the Golden Nugget and no

1748
01:24:03,330 --> 01:24:00,310
follow-up nothing it was not I cannot

1749
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:03,340
believe if you want to hand a story to a

1750
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:05,770
some gumshoe journalist right that's

1751
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:07,330
gonna go out there and knock the walls

1752
01:24:16,740 --> 01:24:14,130
down give him that that that you have

1753
01:24:19,290 --> 01:24:16,750
years of reporting in front of you

1754
01:24:22,350 --> 01:24:19,300
no follow-up I you're absolutely right

1755
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:22,360
that was the one that was the one nugget

1756
01:24:26,990 --> 01:24:24,490
right there and it was a gift nothing

1757
01:24:29,370 --> 01:24:27,000
and I don't I don't know for sure I'm

1758
01:24:31,020 --> 01:24:29,380
purely speculating here but I mean I

1759
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:31,030
have some understanding of how these

1760
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:34,450
organizations work and these the

1761
01:24:38,460 --> 01:24:36,250
journalists who are writing these pieces

1762
01:24:40,440 --> 01:24:38,470
they they do not have total control over

1763
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:40,450
the piece I guarantee it so there are

1764
01:24:44,940 --> 01:24:42,250
editorial decisions that are made as to

1765
01:24:47,190 --> 01:24:44,950
how to present that for example the fact

1766
01:24:48,810 --> 01:24:47,200
that the New York Times gratuitously put

1767
01:24:51,450 --> 01:24:48,820
in statements by two completely

1768
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:51,460
irrelevant skeptics in one of the

1769
01:24:55,740 --> 01:24:53,410
articles that they their lead article on

1770
01:24:57,570 --> 01:24:55,750
that I mean no those statements added

1771
01:24:59,250 --> 01:24:57,580
nothing nothing at all to the piece

1772
01:25:00,630 --> 01:24:59,260
whatsoever they were simply

1773
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:00,640
psychological placeholders for

1774
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:04,000
skepticism I can guarantee you I would I

1775
01:25:06,970 --> 01:25:06,370
would bet my final dollar but that was a

1776
01:25:08,770 --> 01:25:06,980
decision of

1777
01:25:09,970 --> 01:25:08,780
highest levels of the editorial and had

1778
01:25:13,570 --> 01:25:09,980
nothing to do with what the journalist

1779
01:25:15,370 --> 01:25:13,580
wanted just who's gonna guess that and

1780
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:15,380
similarly the fact that there's been no

1781
01:25:20,740 --> 01:25:18,770
follow-up that there's a reason for that

1782
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,750
there's absolutely a reason for that

1783
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:22,400
even though there's incredible

1784
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,890
opportunity for follow-up journalism on

1785
01:25:28,650 --> 01:25:26,480
this so you know that should just tell

1786
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:28,660
tell us the New York Times is useless

1787
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:31,250
they're great for starting wars they're

1788
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:32,690
they're awesome for that they're great

1789
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:37,550
at you know hiding crimes that are

1790
01:25:42,100 --> 01:25:39,530
committed by the true elite who really

1791
01:25:43,690 --> 01:25:42,110
run this society of ours and I won't get

1792
01:25:46,420 --> 01:25:43,700
too derailed on that but that's also the

1793
01:25:48,850 --> 01:25:46,430
case but they they're for genuine

1794
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:48,860
journalism they're less than useless in

1795
01:25:52,330 --> 01:25:50,810
fact you should just avoid them so that

1796
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:52,340
leaves the door open for independent

1797
01:25:56,650 --> 01:25:54,080
journalists and the question is whether

1798
01:25:58,150 --> 01:25:56,660
or not they can get access to someone

1799
01:26:00,490 --> 01:25:58,160
like Robert Bigelow and ask some

1800
01:26:02,979 --> 01:26:00,500
questions there are good people in the

1801
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,989
mainstream is George Knapp who I know is

1802
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:04,480
one of the good guys and maybe George

1803
01:26:07,810 --> 01:26:06,770
want to put the pressure on him but

1804
01:26:09,340 --> 01:26:07,820
maybe he can do an interview with

1805
01:26:12,910 --> 01:26:09,350
Bigelow and try to get some information

1806
01:26:14,979 --> 01:26:12,920
out or someone else right I mean there's

1807
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:14,989
always opportunities there but let's not

1808
01:26:18,790 --> 01:26:16,610
expect it from the establishment media

1809
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:18,800
there they're not on our side

1810
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:22,850
yeah and you know the the problem that

1811
01:26:28,750 --> 01:26:25,760
that I have with with some of those out

1812
01:26:30,100 --> 01:26:28,760
there and it's just they they know that

1813
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:30,110
I'm not going to throw softball

1814
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:32,960
questions out there and so they avoid

1815
01:26:38,710 --> 01:26:36,170
now and because you you are actually a

1816
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:38,720
good journalist and there are other good

1817
01:26:45,130 --> 01:26:42,290
journalists out there too and so it's up

1818
01:26:47,020 --> 01:26:45,140
to it's up to us those of us who care to

1819
01:26:49,210 --> 01:26:47,030
try to get some of these answers and

1820
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:49,220
it's not easy I mean it's it's not easy

1821
01:26:53,740 --> 01:26:52,130
but but that's that's our job I mean

1822
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:53,750
we've got to get these answers New York

1823
01:26:58,930 --> 01:26:55,730
Times it's good that they published what

1824
01:27:00,670 --> 01:26:58,940
they did but we cannot expect true

1825
01:27:04,410 --> 01:27:00,680
honesty from them and we can't expect

1826
01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:04,420
them to do anything other than

1827
01:27:12,220 --> 01:27:09,710
self-serving self-serving news /

1828
01:27:15,550 --> 01:27:12,230
propaganda for their you know for

1829
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:15,560
whatever purposes they want but in fact

1830
01:27:18,970 --> 01:27:17,330
is there there was genuine information

1831
01:27:20,050 --> 01:27:18,980
they put out there so I'm I'm glad about

1832
01:27:25,020 --> 01:27:20,060
that

1833
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:25,030
out there but we really can't expect

1834
01:27:30,220 --> 01:27:27,410
honestly from these people either we've

1835
01:27:32,650 --> 01:27:30,230
got about two minutes before the break

1836
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:32,660
do you think that the New York Times

1837
01:27:37,690 --> 01:27:35,710
published that article because of

1838
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:37,700
professional connections and pressure

1839
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:40,910
from a PR firm to publish that in

1840
01:27:47,380 --> 01:27:45,530
connection with Washington but to the

1841
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:47,390
stars or do you think that they would

1842
01:27:52,660 --> 01:27:50,410
have published that article on their own

1843
01:27:54,250 --> 01:27:52,670
no I think to the stars was instrumental

1844
01:27:55,450 --> 01:27:54,260
in that I don't think that article would

1845
01:27:59,200 --> 01:27:55,460
have happened without to the stars

1846
01:28:01,440 --> 01:27:59,210
there's no way so this is not a case

1847
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:01,450
where in fact I think you know

1848
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,650
Blumenthal and Leslie came both were

1849
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:05,120
talking about this I'm not mistaken that

1850
01:28:10,540 --> 01:28:08,510
the press conference was definitely in

1851
01:28:14,440 --> 01:28:10,550
events around that press conference of

1852
01:28:16,180 --> 01:28:14,450
October 2017 were key in generating some

1853
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:16,190
forward motion on getting that article

1854
01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:18,050
done and of course the people behind the

1855
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,550
scenes with TTS say I think we're very

1856
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:21,440
instrumental in feeding some of this

1857
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:24,110
information too - Leslie Cain and the

1858
01:28:27,970 --> 01:28:26,330
other authors so no they were very

1859
01:28:29,770 --> 01:28:27,980
important in this and the real question

1860
01:28:32,020 --> 01:28:29,780
is you know what was their actual

1861
01:28:34,540 --> 01:28:32,030
motivation and again I guess I would

1862
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:34,550
just say that people are complex it's

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not all it's not all simple there's

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always the fact that they want to make

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money they want defense contracts I

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think there's no question about this

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you've all you have to do is read

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between the lines and not even between

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the lines

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they want to get taxpayer money to study

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exotic technologies by at least to some

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extent legitimizing UAP UFO phenomenon

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within Congress so they can get money

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doing doing research that's definitely

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on their agenda now is that doesn't make

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them bad well I don't know I mean we can

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all answer the head on our own I suppose

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but everyone's got their own motivations

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for doing everything the fact is my for

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me I just ask are they putting out

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genuine information that helps those of

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us who believe in ending UFO secrecy and

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the thing in this case the answer is

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yeah I think they've helped a bit let's

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take a break right here our guest

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tonight Richard bleep and Doland yeah

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bleepin is

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his middle name i'm your host jimmy

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church this is fade to black

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richard right after this short break

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stay with us

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way out here we listen to Jimmy Church

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with Jimmy Church on the game change in

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network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

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revolution the revolution will not be

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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welcome back fade to black I'm the host

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of a church our guest tonight Richard

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Dolan he is here the segment of fade to

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autograph fade to black t-shirt don't

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you I don't know I don't think I did

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this is Radio Richard you're supposed to

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say I won't know it every day I'm

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wearing it I want to talk a little bit

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about the original UFO hypothesis and

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the reason why I want to bring that up

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01:34:31,410 --> 01:34:29,050
is a couple of weeks ago you know we've

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got this fast radio bursts thing that is

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that is going on right now and it is

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it's fascinating to me

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michio kaku came out a couple of weeks

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01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:41,770
ago I don't know if he caught this and

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he said fast radio bursts could be

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coming from starships not planets and it

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just made me sit back and think if you

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are out in the vastness of interstellar

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space right

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ten thousand light-years between objects

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right now I mean just the vastness of

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space and you need to send out a warning

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beacon to your your other starship

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trooper friends or what have you

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you've you would do a fast radio bursts

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you would let people know where you are

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just like we would you use radio signals

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it would use something that could be

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faster I mean I think that there

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probably are going to be faster than

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light types of communications I mean I

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know mr. Akaka doesn't believe that but

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I think I believe it of course I'm not

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I'm not a physicist so I'm allowed to

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believe whatever I want

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but nonetheless we have you know quantum

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entanglement which is demonstrably been

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shown to

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faster-than-light connections between

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you know one particle and another

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particle and in theory that could be at

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01:36:06,900 --> 01:36:04,110
the distance of one galaxy to another so

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01:36:09,390 --> 01:36:06,910
it would seem to me that a very very

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advanced civilization and that will

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include ourselves and another thousand

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01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:14,350
years or more or less might have

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01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:15,610
discovered an ability to communicate

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that's far beyond radio waves I would

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01:36:23,130 --> 01:36:21,430
like to think so and I have to think

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that it's entirely possible and if it's

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01:36:28,020 --> 01:36:26,050
possible then we're going to do it so I

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01:36:29,610 --> 01:36:28,030
think you know if we're looking for

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01:36:31,260 --> 01:36:29,620
radio signals and that type of thing

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maybe we're looking at the wrong type of

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a signal just a thought well you know

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01:36:41,820 --> 01:36:36,850
going back to you know the Drake

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01:36:43,530 --> 01:36:41,830
Equation and and SETI and some of the

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01:36:46,380 --> 01:36:43,540
faults that you know because they're

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looking for radio signals and obviously

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if there's an advanced civilization out

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01:36:52,710 --> 01:36:50,560
there they wouldn't be using radio they

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would have moved beyond it certainly on

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01:36:58,350 --> 01:36:56,290
this planet we've moved beyond I mean

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radio still exists I'm not gonna say

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01:37:05,480 --> 01:37:00,690
that it doesn't I'm a broadcaster but

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it's not what it was 50 years ago no

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01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:08,110
lately right and I don't know what we're

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01:37:12,570 --> 01:37:10,810
gonna be using in another 50 years but

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01:37:16,110 --> 01:37:12,580
that's a little hundred and fifty year

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01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:16,120
window of us using that technology I

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01:37:21,690 --> 01:37:17,650
don't think we're gonna be using radio

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waves in another 50 years but the flip

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side to that is the obvious which is

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01:37:30,780 --> 01:37:27,040
civilizations out there went through the

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01:37:33,420 --> 01:37:30,790
same elements of technical revolutions

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that we did and at one point they were

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01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:35,830
using fast radio bursts and they were

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01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:37,330
using radio signals and they're

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01:37:43,860 --> 01:37:40,210
eventually going to get here that's

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01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:43,870
that's my take yeah exactly exactly I

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01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:46,570
feel like what we're dealing with in

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01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:50,170
this UFO phenomenon is is I think almost

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01:37:55,260 --> 01:37:52,330
certainly the result of some kind of

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01:37:57,570 --> 01:37:55,270
melding of biological and artificial

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01:37:59,520 --> 01:37:57,580
intelligence and that is what we're

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01:38:01,800 --> 01:37:59,530
dealing with and I only feel this way

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01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,810
because it's very very easy now for us

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01:38:05,390 --> 01:38:03,760
in our society to see this is exactly

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01:38:07,490 --> 01:38:05,400
where we are going

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you look at all of the advances that we

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01:38:10,700 --> 01:38:09,090
are making in terms of our hardware in

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terms of AI in terms of quantum

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01:38:16,490 --> 01:38:13,590
computing nanotech robotics the the fact

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01:38:18,050 --> 01:38:16,500
that we've DNA mapped ourselves pretty

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01:38:20,169 --> 01:38:18,060
completely and we're able to edit our

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01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:20,179
genes through CRISPR technology and

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01:38:27,110 --> 01:38:22,650
that's just the beginning of where we're

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01:38:30,110 --> 01:38:27,120
going and then you know ask yourself you

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01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:30,120
know I love hearing all of these these

2068
01:38:36,740 --> 01:38:34,159
truly know nothing skeptics who will say

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01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,750
travel to the Stars is impossible you

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01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:38,400
people don't realize how distant the

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01:38:43,850 --> 01:38:41,580
stars are and I just think we're

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probably twenty years away officially

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01:38:48,590 --> 01:38:46,530
speaking all right from having a ship or

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01:38:50,330 --> 01:38:48,600
being that's artificially intelligent

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01:38:53,090 --> 01:38:50,340
enough that can probably survive an

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01:38:55,850 --> 01:38:53,100
interstellar journey really maybe a

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01:38:58,880 --> 01:38:55,860
century if you want to be generous we're

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01:39:00,590 --> 01:38:58,890
just about there ourselves

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01:39:03,649 --> 01:39:00,600
don't don't we think it's possible to

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01:39:05,300 --> 01:39:03,659
have an artificially intelligent ship so

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01:39:06,860 --> 01:39:05,310
we'll have our own little avatars out

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01:39:09,229 --> 01:39:06,870
there we're gonna have these ultra-fast

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01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:09,239
ultra intelligent machine avatars robots

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01:39:16,370 --> 01:39:12,000
virtual entities they're almost here

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01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:16,380
upon us now with you know I mean and

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01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:17,520
then when you think about how the

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01:39:22,130 --> 01:39:19,380
technologies were developing are going

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01:39:26,209 --> 01:39:22,140
to be working either synergistically or

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01:39:28,250 --> 01:39:26,219
just in coordination with each other you

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01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,260
know add like nanotech and then 3d

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01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:30,719
printing and 3d scanning and the ability

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01:39:36,470 --> 01:39:34,560
almost to create a an artificial being

2093
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:36,480
what we're almost there you talk about

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01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:39,449
hospitals saying you know in a few years

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01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:41,250
we're gonna be creating 3d printed

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01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:43,530
livers for replacement livers and organs

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01:39:48,919 --> 01:39:45,449
and I mean they're talking very

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01:39:52,270 --> 01:39:48,929
seriously about this so we are right on

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01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:52,280
the cusp and then you get these

2100
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:54,480
futurists who talk about human

2101
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,850
immortality now some of these are the

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01:40:00,350 --> 01:39:58,560
scariest people on the planet you know

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01:40:02,419 --> 01:40:00,360
anyone who wants humans to live forever

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01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:02,429
is a very frightening person in my

2105
01:40:08,270 --> 01:40:04,800
opinion but but nonetheless they're

2106
01:40:12,340 --> 01:40:08,280
having these conversations and so we're

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01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:12,350
we're on the verge of going posthuman

2108
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:14,850
transhuman so if we can see ourselves

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01:40:19,009 --> 01:40:18,000
doing this very realistically by the way

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01:40:21,799 --> 01:40:19,019
in the next general

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01:40:23,839 --> 01:40:21,809
or two I think we have to assume that

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01:40:26,359 --> 01:40:23,849
what we're dealing with is the result of

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01:40:28,039 --> 01:40:26,369
that and and you know you look at

2114
01:40:30,919 --> 01:40:28,049
something like the gray is that everyone

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01:40:32,569 --> 01:40:30,929
is reported and talked about there's no

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01:40:35,059 --> 01:40:32,579
way in my view that they could have ever

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01:40:36,799 --> 01:40:35,069
been naturally biologically occurring

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01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,809
beings it means it's not a chance

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01:40:40,339 --> 01:40:38,639
the heads are way too large the bodies

2120
01:40:42,829 --> 01:40:40,349
are too spindly it doesn't make any

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01:40:45,349 --> 01:40:42,839
sense in terms of evolutionary body plan

2122
01:40:49,309 --> 01:40:45,359
but it does make sense if you see them

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01:40:51,739 --> 01:40:49,319
as created for certain purposes to have

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01:40:54,769 --> 01:40:51,749
exceptional intelligence in certain ways

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01:40:56,869 --> 01:40:54,779
bodies not really needed in certain ways

2126
01:41:00,109 --> 01:40:56,879
and on and on on sex organs why would

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01:41:02,719 --> 01:41:00,119
you why would you give you know a drone

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01:41:06,649 --> 01:41:02,729
worker the ultimate distraction of sex

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01:41:11,029 --> 01:41:06,659
organs you wouldn't so so I think we're

2130
01:41:15,229 --> 01:41:11,039
dealing with the results of a hyper

2131
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:15,239
advanced post singularity civilization

2132
01:41:19,609 --> 01:41:17,010
or maybe a series of them that have

2133
01:41:21,349 --> 01:41:19,619
found us they find us interesting I mean

2134
01:41:24,049 --> 01:41:21,359
of course they would find us interesting

2135
01:41:27,079 --> 01:41:24,059
a earth is interesting earth is

2136
01:41:30,109 --> 01:41:27,089
fascinating earth is beautiful earth has

2137
01:41:32,539 --> 01:41:30,119
all of these unique combinations of DNA

2138
01:41:34,729 --> 01:41:32,549
my god I mean if you're interested in

2139
01:41:37,309 --> 01:41:34,739
any form of life whatsoever earth is a

2140
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:37,319
gold mine and there may be millions and

2141
01:41:40,699 --> 01:41:38,639
billions of others out there but it

2142
01:41:43,699 --> 01:41:40,709
doesn't make earth any less valuable and

2143
01:41:47,329 --> 01:41:43,709
then on earth there are these creatures

2144
01:41:50,179 --> 01:41:47,339
these human beings that are yeah I mean

2145
01:41:51,649 --> 01:41:50,189
it's easy for people to say we're just

2146
01:41:54,019 --> 01:41:51,659
like insects compared with a higher

2147
01:41:57,349 --> 01:41:54,029
order of intelligence I disagree I

2148
01:41:59,389 --> 01:41:57,359
disagree our intellect may not be as

2149
01:42:02,419 --> 01:41:59,399
high as theirs but we have interesting

2150
01:42:04,939 --> 01:42:02,429
an interesting internal life I believe

2151
01:42:06,979 --> 01:42:04,949
we did create Shakespeare and Goethe and

2152
01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:06,989
Beethoven and a lot of other really cool

2153
01:42:12,529 --> 01:42:08,729
people so we've got something going for

2154
01:42:15,079 --> 01:42:12,539
us and we have discovered some pretty

2155
01:42:18,169 --> 01:42:15,089
interesting scientific secrets so that

2156
01:42:19,729 --> 01:42:18,179
makes us interesting as well so no I

2157
01:42:21,979 --> 01:42:19,739
think that we would be of prime interest

2158
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,989
to a lot of other people out there that

2159
01:42:26,569 --> 01:42:24,239
have the ability to observe us and to

2160
01:42:28,369 --> 01:42:26,579
and to monitor us and I think that's

2161
01:42:30,379 --> 01:42:28,379
exactly what we are dealing with and I

2162
01:42:31,849 --> 01:42:30,389
think that they've noticed us some of

2163
01:42:32,689 --> 01:42:31,859
them have noticed us for probably as

2164
01:42:34,549 --> 01:42:32,699
long as we

2165
01:42:35,930 --> 01:42:34,559
have existed and the real question that

2166
01:42:37,850 --> 01:42:35,940
I ask myself and I don't know if I'll

2167
01:42:40,419 --> 01:42:37,860
ever get the answers to what extent are

2168
01:42:44,540 --> 01:42:40,429
they managed us monitored us tweaked us

2169
01:42:49,390 --> 01:42:44,550
controlled us I don't know it's

2170
01:42:52,969 --> 01:42:49,400
interesting the the the math of things

2171
01:42:55,430 --> 01:42:52,979
fascinates me and if you and I are

2172
01:42:57,379 --> 01:42:55,440
sitting around a poker table and we're

2173
01:42:59,779 --> 01:42:57,389
you know there's five of us you know you

2174
01:43:03,529 --> 01:42:59,789
raise Rob and Tracey myself right we're

2175
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:03,539
all just doing our thing we deal out of

2176
01:43:08,660 --> 01:43:05,570
Hana cards you look at your cards

2177
01:43:11,569 --> 01:43:08,670
eventually those five cards in your hand

2178
01:43:14,540 --> 01:43:11,579
we will it may take a while but we

2179
01:43:19,009 --> 01:43:14,550
continue to deal those cards the exact

2180
01:43:22,459 --> 01:43:19,019
same hands will be dealt right it's just

2181
01:43:23,569 --> 01:43:22,469
a numbers game it's the same thing with

2182
01:43:27,500 --> 01:43:23,579
planet Earth

2183
01:43:29,379 --> 01:43:27,510
out there it's a numbers game there is

2184
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:29,389
another earth there's another earth

2185
01:43:36,290 --> 01:43:33,119
identical to us and on that planet right

2186
01:43:39,310 --> 01:43:36,300
now Richard are two radio hosts talking

2187
01:43:44,060 --> 01:43:39,320
about life out there in the universe

2188
01:43:48,290 --> 01:43:44,070
that's funny he goes out a month ago I

2189
01:43:49,819 --> 01:43:48,300
was I had a kind of epiphany on exactly

2190
01:43:51,620 --> 01:43:49,829
this type of thought it's so funny that

2191
01:43:53,180 --> 01:43:51,630
you you think of these things that have

2192
01:43:55,009 --> 01:43:53,190
are occurring to me independently it's

2193
01:43:57,529 --> 01:43:55,019
really true and I just had this moment

2194
01:44:00,109 --> 01:43:57,539
all right I remember looking out at the

2195
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:00,119
sky it was about a month or two ago and

2196
01:44:05,989 --> 01:44:03,209
I just saw it out there is another

2197
01:44:08,779 --> 01:44:05,999
planet that's got to be very similar to

2198
01:44:10,910 --> 01:44:08,789
our earth that's got to have a certain

2199
01:44:14,209 --> 01:44:10,920
amount of oxygen and and plant life

2200
01:44:17,419 --> 01:44:14,219
that's evolved and grown and their

2201
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:17,429
version of mammals and and and their

2202
01:44:21,919 --> 01:44:19,199
version of intelligent life that has

2203
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:21,929
developed the ability to conceive of

2204
01:44:27,379 --> 01:44:25,110
life beyond like I just thought they're

2205
01:44:29,660 --> 01:44:27,389
out there right now and here I'm

2206
01:44:33,049 --> 01:44:29,670
standing thinking about them and maybe

2207
01:44:35,899 --> 01:44:33,059
they're thinking about me it was a nice

2208
01:44:40,370 --> 01:44:35,909
moment yeah on that planet was another

2209
01:44:43,729 --> 01:44:40,380
Dolan looking up at the stars having

2210
01:44:46,129 --> 01:44:43,739
that exact same thought so if that is

2211
01:44:47,989 --> 01:44:46,139
the case then of course is

2212
01:44:49,819 --> 01:44:47,999
somebody is out there looking for us and

2213
01:44:53,649 --> 01:44:49,829
has found us and has probably found as

2214
01:44:56,209 --> 01:44:53,659
thousands of times you know thousands of

2215
01:44:58,639 --> 01:44:56,219
civilizations out there that that have

2216
01:45:03,439 --> 01:44:58,649
explored and that's it and so back to

2217
01:45:06,020 --> 01:45:03,449
the UFO high pots and bottles at the

2218
01:45:10,279 --> 01:45:06,030
Extra Terrestrial yeah yeah yeah and

2219
01:45:14,270 --> 01:45:10,289
when we and we go back and consider how

2220
01:45:17,419 --> 01:45:14,280
innocent that thought was right and and

2221
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:17,429
where we are today but when I go out and

2222
01:45:21,139 --> 01:45:19,530
I have these sightings and I'm seeing

2223
01:45:24,500 --> 01:45:21,149
things in the skies I've done it with

2224
01:45:28,489 --> 01:45:24,510
you too as well and what they're looking

2225
01:45:32,389 --> 01:45:28,499
at now is that nuts and bolts is it

2226
01:45:35,359 --> 01:45:32,399
energy is it just some type of drone

2227
01:45:38,659 --> 01:45:35,369
like Voyager you know or something like

2228
01:45:41,239 --> 01:45:38,669
that I you know I don't know what is

2229
01:45:43,429 --> 01:45:41,249
being represented up there right now I

2230
01:45:46,339 --> 01:45:43,439
really don't I don't know if it's a

2231
01:45:49,009 --> 01:45:46,349
metallic nuts and bolts with the dude in

2232
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:49,019
there with a pilot and a joystick or if

2233
01:45:53,449 --> 01:45:50,639
it's something else or if it's pure

2234
01:45:55,759 --> 01:45:53,459
energy if it is like you were saying

2235
01:45:57,589 --> 01:45:55,769
earlier consciousness what do you think

2236
01:46:00,109 --> 01:45:57,599
is being represented in the skies these

2237
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:00,119
days and how did they get here I think I

2238
01:46:04,939 --> 01:46:02,010
think what you're you're moving toward

2239
01:46:07,009 --> 01:46:04,949
is a kind of updated version of the ETH

2240
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:07,019
that is the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

2241
01:46:10,580 --> 01:46:08,489
and I think that's an appropriate thing

2242
01:46:12,620 --> 01:46:10,590
for us to be doing when we think of the

2243
01:46:14,330 --> 01:46:12,630
extra-terrestrial hypothesis you know

2244
01:46:16,699 --> 01:46:14,340
anyone who's been involved in UFOs for

2245
01:46:19,819 --> 01:46:16,709
any amount of time the ETH almost seems

2246
01:46:22,609 --> 01:46:19,829
kind of boring to people like you know

2247
01:46:25,580 --> 01:46:22,619
are there men and women from another

2248
01:46:27,169 --> 01:46:25,590
planet in metal spaceships coming here

2249
01:46:29,299 --> 01:46:27,179
take us to your leader that type of

2250
01:46:31,969 --> 01:46:29,309
thing and back in the 1950s when people

2251
01:46:33,979 --> 01:46:31,979
were first talking about this it was

2252
01:46:35,779 --> 01:46:33,989
kind of like the Buck Rogers version of

2253
01:46:37,609 --> 01:46:35,789
the extra-terrestrial hypothesis that is

2254
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:37,619
you know we're gonna get into our rocket

2255
01:46:40,850 --> 01:46:39,510
ship and go out in a space and and that

2256
01:46:42,259 --> 01:46:40,860
must be what they're doing you know

2257
01:46:47,449 --> 01:46:42,269
being from another planet of travel to

2258
01:46:49,759 --> 01:46:47,459
get here and I think it'd be it was

2259
01:46:51,379 --> 01:46:49,769
attractive for a little period of time

2260
01:46:52,699 --> 01:46:51,389
but I think it became unattractive

2261
01:46:56,569 --> 01:46:52,709
because people started to think well

2262
01:46:59,029 --> 01:46:56,579
first of all you have people like valet

2263
01:46:59,940 --> 01:46:59,039
in the 60s who started looking into the

2264
01:47:01,530 --> 01:46:59,950
fact that this

2265
01:47:04,050 --> 01:47:01,540
nah man might just go back throughout

2266
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:04,060
all of our history he's looking at

2267
01:47:08,130 --> 01:47:06,490
reports of fairies and other types of

2268
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:08,140
creatures his great book passport to

2269
01:47:12,210 --> 01:47:10,210
mangonia and more recently incidentally

2270
01:47:15,780 --> 01:47:12,220
he co-authored an excellent book wonders

2271
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:15,790
in the sky highly recommended where that

2272
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:18,130
he talks about you know how the fact

2273
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:20,050
that this is an ancient phenomenon and

2274
01:47:24,300 --> 01:47:22,210
so if it's an ancient phenomenon are we

2275
01:47:27,090 --> 01:47:24,310
really inclined to think that they've

2276
01:47:28,350 --> 01:47:27,100
they're coming from another planet there

2277
01:47:29,700 --> 01:47:28,360
maybe there's something more interesting

2278
01:47:32,060 --> 01:47:29,710
there and I think that's a fair

2279
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:32,070
statement and then there's even more

2280
01:47:36,810 --> 01:47:34,960
interesting state theories you've got

2281
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:36,820
various forms of an interdimensional

2282
01:47:40,410 --> 01:47:38,290
type of hypothesis you know are these

2283
01:47:42,510 --> 01:47:40,420
beings actually from another planet or

2284
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:42,520
are there other dimensions are they from

2285
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:44,170
another dimension I mean after all

2286
01:47:47,130 --> 01:47:45,730
there's thousands and thousands of

2287
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:47,140
sightings every year are we really

2288
01:47:51,540 --> 01:47:48,850
dealing with beings from another planet

2289
01:47:55,500 --> 01:47:51,550
that are surveilling the earth or coming

2290
01:47:59,310 --> 01:47:55,510
here I mean it seems a little bit odd to

2291
01:48:00,810 --> 01:47:59,320
think of it think of it that way so and

2292
01:48:04,980 --> 01:48:00,820
then there's other possibilities you

2293
01:48:07,740 --> 01:48:04,990
know there's you know is it the fact

2294
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:07,750
that an ancient human society or an

2295
01:48:12,750 --> 01:48:10,000
ancient variation of our own species

2296
01:48:16,860 --> 01:48:12,760
broke off in one way or another and

2297
01:48:18,510 --> 01:48:16,870
develop in a parallel form not sharing

2298
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:18,520
their secret with the rest of us is that

2299
01:48:21,810 --> 01:48:20,050
what we're dealing with I mean there's

2300
01:48:24,060 --> 01:48:21,820
all these ideas but I would say this

2301
01:48:28,830 --> 01:48:24,070
that the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

2302
01:48:32,460 --> 01:48:28,840
for all of that is still probably still

2303
01:48:33,150 --> 01:48:32,470
the single best theory to explain what's

2304
01:48:36,030 --> 01:48:33,160
going on

2305
01:48:38,730 --> 01:48:36,040
and I say this but we need to update our

2306
01:48:41,490 --> 01:48:38,740
understanding of the ETH but one reason

2307
01:48:43,380 --> 01:48:41,500
that I still think it's a strong theory

2308
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,390
is that you've got all of these very

2309
01:48:47,010 --> 01:48:45,520
very officially documented cases I'm

2310
01:48:49,140 --> 01:48:47,020
talking about military documents that

2311
01:48:52,230 --> 01:48:49,150
talk about engagements with objects that

2312
01:48:54,090 --> 01:48:52,240
are so far beyond our own apparent

2313
01:48:55,740 --> 01:48:54,100
capabilities I mean and you've had a

2314
01:48:57,300 --> 01:48:55,750
number of analysts saying look it's not

2315
01:48:59,160 --> 01:48:57,310
the Russians it's not anything that we

2316
01:49:02,220 --> 01:48:59,170
know about it's not natural phenomenon

2317
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:02,230
so it's really not a stretch to wonder

2318
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:04,090
if this is an extraterrestrial thing and

2319
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:06,970
then on top of that you do have sighting

2320
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:08,800
after sighting after sighting after

2321
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:11,530
sighting by people of beings that look

2322
01:49:17,550 --> 01:49:13,930
like aliens they don't look like human

2323
01:49:19,890 --> 01:49:17,560
beings so what are they if not from

2324
01:49:22,710 --> 01:49:19,900
another maybe they're genetically

2325
01:49:24,780 --> 01:49:22,720
modified human beings may be alright but

2326
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:24,790
maybe they're not from here maybe they

2327
01:49:31,410 --> 01:49:28,480
really are not from here and so you've

2328
01:49:34,350 --> 01:49:31,420
got a lot of the abduction research

2329
01:49:36,360 --> 01:49:34,360
encounter research that does in my view

2330
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:36,370
seem to support the idea that we're

2331
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:38,560
dealing with extraterrestrials at least

2332
01:49:43,380 --> 01:49:40,810
quite possibly extraterrestrials but I

2333
01:49:44,580 --> 01:49:43,390
would I would say I think you sounds

2334
01:49:47,010 --> 01:49:44,590
like you would agree that we want a

2335
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:47,020
fresh extra-terrestrial hypothesis this

2336
01:49:50,370 --> 01:49:48,250
is something I've really been thinking a

2337
01:49:51,810 --> 01:49:50,380
lot about over the last couple of years

2338
01:49:54,260 --> 01:49:51,820
so it would be an extraterrestrial

2339
01:49:59,100 --> 01:49:54,270
hypothesis that would incorporate

2340
01:50:03,540 --> 01:49:59,110
contemporary science contemporary ideas

2341
01:50:05,310 --> 01:50:03,550
in AI and robotics and computing and

2342
01:50:09,690 --> 01:50:05,320
quantum computing and beyond quantum

2343
01:50:12,990 --> 01:50:09,700
computing and the fact that these you

2344
01:50:14,820 --> 01:50:13,000
know what would and a very very advanced

2345
01:50:16,590 --> 01:50:14,830
civilization look like well it would as

2346
01:50:18,270 --> 01:50:16,600
arthur c clarke say it would seem

2347
01:50:20,250 --> 01:50:18,280
indistinguishable from magic almost

2348
01:50:21,480 --> 01:50:20,260
certainly you know they've got quantum

2349
01:50:24,150 --> 01:50:21,490
computing and beyond

2350
01:50:26,490 --> 01:50:24,160
they've got advanced posed singularity

2351
01:50:28,290 --> 01:50:26,500
AI they've got total genetic mastery I

2352
01:50:30,150 --> 01:50:28,300
would have to assume they've got total

2353
01:50:32,130 --> 01:50:30,160
organic printing and were beyond

2354
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:32,140
anything that we can imagine and the

2355
01:50:38,370 --> 01:50:33,970
creation of virtual reality in the sense

2356
01:50:39,660 --> 01:50:38,380
that you know we I don't know if we've

2357
01:50:40,860 --> 01:50:39,670
really gotten to that point in our own

2358
01:50:43,950 --> 01:50:40,870
civilization they can manipulate

2359
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:43,960
space-time they can fold space-time I'm

2360
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,690
sure of this I mean our own

2361
01:50:49,770 --> 01:50:47,520
mathematicians we have Miguel Alcubierre

2362
01:50:52,620 --> 01:50:49,780
twenty-five years ago at the University

2363
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:52,630
of Wales gave a mathematical model of

2364
01:50:57,060 --> 01:50:54,850
warp drive it works what we don't have

2365
01:51:00,960 --> 01:50:57,070
is the energy we can't generate the

2366
01:51:03,150 --> 01:51:00,970
energy necessary for warp drive like

2367
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:03,160
Captain Kirk would want us to do but but

2368
01:51:07,890 --> 01:51:05,050
the the principles are there and

2369
01:51:10,380 --> 01:51:07,900
apparently the math is good and I think

2370
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:10,390
that there are other beings that have

2371
01:51:14,700 --> 01:51:11,410
figured this out so if you can

2372
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:14,710
manipulate space-time fold space-time or

2373
01:51:18,660 --> 01:51:16,960
do whatever you can you can defeat the

2374
01:51:22,020 --> 01:51:18,670
speed of light boundary and your own

2375
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:22,030
little loophole so this is the type of

2376
01:51:26,180 --> 01:51:24,090
ETH we have to be thinking about

2377
01:51:29,390 --> 01:51:26,190
beings that have intense kind of

2378
01:51:31,010 --> 01:51:29,400
telepathy that may be natural or

2379
01:51:33,530 --> 01:51:31,020
artificially enhanced telepathy and

2380
01:51:35,300 --> 01:51:33,540
they've got the ability to induce I

2381
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:35,310
think what Dave Jacobs called total

2382
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:37,170
neurological control over us that is if

2383
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:38,130
they don't want you to move a muscle

2384
01:51:41,899 --> 01:51:39,840
you're not gonna move a muscle

2385
01:51:43,939 --> 01:51:41,909
you know levitate people and move you

2386
01:51:46,910 --> 01:51:43,949
through walls all of this I think so

2387
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:46,920
it's an ETH but it's an ETH that seems

2388
01:51:55,520 --> 01:51:51,090
so far advanced that we don't know how

2389
01:51:58,520 --> 01:51:55,530
to how to make sense of it sometimes and

2390
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:58,530
I would suspect that it's an ETH that is

2391
01:52:02,050 --> 01:52:00,239
kind of melded with the kind of

2392
01:52:05,359 --> 01:52:02,060
homegrown version I mean in other words

2393
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:05,369
what are these cases of beings that look

2394
01:52:09,770 --> 01:52:07,530
exactly human are they really from

2395
01:52:12,470 --> 01:52:09,780
another planet like I don't think so

2396
01:52:14,089 --> 01:52:12,480
I don't believe that the encounters of

2397
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:14,099
the blondes or they're not all blonde

2398
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:15,690
they don't all have blue eyes and sadly

2399
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:17,520
some of them have black hair some of

2400
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:20,130
them have have a dark skin not light

2401
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:21,840
skin and so on there's a variety of

2402
01:52:27,740 --> 01:52:24,810
these beings that are but they're not

2403
01:52:30,169 --> 01:52:27,750
like us right so are they really from

2404
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:30,179
another planet I'm saying no I don't

2405
01:52:32,839 --> 01:52:31,170
think they're from another planet I

2406
01:52:36,109 --> 01:52:32,849
think they're us I think they're

2407
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:36,119
genetically modified maybe they are

2408
01:52:39,770 --> 01:52:37,920
behind her or maybe an alien species is

2409
01:52:42,620 --> 01:52:39,780
behind it who knows I don't know but

2410
01:52:47,740 --> 01:52:42,630
there are too many sightings by people

2411
01:52:50,750 --> 01:52:47,750
of these completely human looking beings

2412
01:52:53,959 --> 01:52:50,760
that I can't discount it I would love to

2413
01:52:56,540 --> 01:52:53,969
discount it I would love for the UFO

2414
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:56,550
phenomenon to fit into this neat little

2415
01:53:01,010 --> 01:52:58,560
package that would make it very easy

2416
01:53:03,140 --> 01:53:01,020
from he to say it's this or is that or

2417
01:53:06,620 --> 01:53:03,150
it's this but it it refuses to do that

2418
01:53:08,209 --> 01:53:06,630
and part of it is that you've got beings

2419
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:08,219
that do look youment and beings that do

2420
01:53:13,609 --> 01:53:10,320
not look human so the ones that do look

2421
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:13,619
human I'm going to assume they're human

2422
01:53:18,290 --> 01:53:15,810
but they're not exactly like us

2423
01:53:20,780 --> 01:53:18,300
they're tweaked in some important way so

2424
01:53:22,879 --> 01:53:20,790
does that mean that they were you know

2425
01:53:25,010 --> 01:53:22,889
some alien race took a bunch of people

2426
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:25,020
from Norway 10,000 years ago and said

2427
01:53:29,870 --> 01:53:27,840
let's raise them to be like us and and

2428
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,880
gave them their own enhanced

2429
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:31,920
capabilities and so that those human

2430
01:53:36,359 --> 01:53:33,610
beings would have nothing in common with

2431
01:53:38,490 --> 01:53:36,369
culturally really they wouldn't have

2432
01:53:42,090 --> 01:53:38,500
anything but maybe that's the case or

2433
01:53:43,950 --> 01:53:42,100
maybe it's a homegrown human group I

2434
01:53:48,030 --> 01:53:43,960
don't I don't know the answer to this

2435
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:48,040
but there's a lot that is at play here

2436
01:53:56,189 --> 01:53:52,000
and I'm long past the point where I feel

2437
01:53:58,590 --> 01:53:56,199
a strong need to know for sure is it one

2438
01:54:00,090 --> 01:53:58,600
or the other I mean it would be great I

2439
01:54:01,709 --> 01:54:00,100
would be wonderful if I knew the answer

2440
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:01,719
to that one day I would be okay great

2441
01:54:06,750 --> 01:54:05,290
awesome but I'm not expecting it but

2442
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:06,760
there's more than enough work in one day

2443
01:54:12,870 --> 01:54:09,610
for for someone like myself simply to

2444
01:54:15,060 --> 01:54:12,880
understand what's in front of me and and

2445
01:54:16,620 --> 01:54:15,070
most importantly I do think it's it's

2446
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:16,630
valuable and I'm shifting gears here

2447
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:19,570
slightly if you allow me for us to have

2448
01:54:27,660 --> 01:54:24,250
a more intelligent public conversation

2449
01:54:29,700 --> 01:54:27,670
about this phenomenon so that more

2450
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:29,710
people can participate in the

2451
01:54:32,700 --> 01:54:31,690
conversation because really we need more

2452
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:32,710
people to participate in this

2453
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:33,520
conversation

2454
01:54:39,060 --> 01:54:36,400
we need more very very smart thoughtful

2455
01:54:42,270 --> 01:54:39,070
people to offer their own ideas and

2456
01:54:44,370 --> 01:54:42,280
research and maybe we'll get some

2457
01:54:47,490 --> 01:54:44,380
answers and and that means some form of

2458
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:47,500
if not political disclosure then maybe

2459
01:54:52,229 --> 01:54:49,210
we'll call it cultural disclosure a

2460
01:54:54,030 --> 01:54:52,239
cultural transformation by which people

2461
01:54:56,189 --> 01:54:54,040
just stop caring about the stigma

2462
01:54:58,290 --> 01:54:56,199
associated with this phenomenon and

2463
01:55:01,859 --> 01:54:58,300
realize that this is the greatest

2464
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:01,869
mystery of our time and decide to get on

2465
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:03,520
this train and not and not miss out

2466
01:55:08,970 --> 01:55:05,920
because it's the best ride of your life

2467
01:55:14,010 --> 01:55:08,980
it's fun and I thought that you were

2468
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:14,020
going to go here so I'm going to ask for

2469
01:55:21,330 --> 01:55:18,250
clarification oh sure is is there the

2470
01:55:24,620 --> 01:55:21,340
possibility that those that look like us

2471
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:24,630
are us from the future time travelers

2472
01:55:28,410 --> 01:55:27,010
they're already here though I don't know

2473
01:55:30,750 --> 01:55:28,420
what I think about time travel as a

2474
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:30,760
hypothesis for this it's never really

2475
01:55:35,820 --> 01:55:33,130
appealed to me I know there are folks

2476
01:55:37,229 --> 01:55:35,830
who believe it people like James

2477
01:55:39,300 --> 01:55:37,239
Penniston is convinced that that is

2478
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:39,310
that's the answer and maybe he's right I

2479
01:55:46,589 --> 01:55:42,090
don't I don't think that I believe it

2480
01:55:47,250 --> 01:55:46,599
but I don't know enough honestly about

2481
01:55:52,470 --> 01:55:47,260
the

2482
01:55:54,290 --> 01:55:52,480
manipulation to know that it's

2483
01:55:57,690 --> 01:55:54,300
impossible there are certain logical

2484
01:56:00,690 --> 01:55:57,700
problems that come to my mind relating

2485
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:00,700
to going back into time so for example

2486
01:56:03,930 --> 01:56:02,410
I'll just give you an example and I've

2487
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:03,940
never been able to shake this example so

2488
01:56:07,530 --> 01:56:05,920
if you're gonna go back in time like

2489
01:56:09,780 --> 01:56:07,540
let's say we're in the future right and

2490
01:56:12,030 --> 01:56:09,790
we want to go back in time so how

2491
01:56:13,980 --> 01:56:12,040
exactly do you do that because if you

2492
01:56:16,170 --> 01:56:13,990
look at our universe

2493
01:56:20,850 --> 01:56:16,180
forget dimensions for the moment if you

2494
01:56:23,670 --> 01:56:20,860
if you will our earth is not static in

2495
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:23,680
space right it's revolving around the

2496
01:56:27,930 --> 01:56:26,170
Sun and our Sun is not static in space

2497
01:56:30,210 --> 01:56:27,940
either it is rotating around the center

2498
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:30,220
of our galaxy and our galaxy is not

2499
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:32,530
stable in space it too is part of a

2500
01:56:36,330 --> 01:56:34,450
local group and a larger group and it's

2501
01:56:39,420 --> 01:56:36,340
moving so if you're gonna go back in

2502
01:56:42,050 --> 01:56:39,430
time seems to me you're going literally

2503
01:56:46,230 --> 01:56:42,060
to wind back the clock of the entire

2504
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,240
universe every cell every microorganism

2505
01:56:52,380 --> 01:56:48,880
everything that exists and you're gonna

2506
01:56:56,190 --> 01:56:52,390
what wind it all back to its physical

2507
01:56:58,200 --> 01:56:56,200
location in all of space and go back

2508
01:57:00,930 --> 01:56:58,210
there how's that even possible like I

2509
01:57:02,610 --> 01:57:00,940
don't I don't understand that if someone

2510
01:57:03,030 --> 01:57:02,620
can explain that to me then I'd be very

2511
01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:03,040
grateful

2512
01:57:08,790 --> 01:57:06,450
now are they coming from another

2513
01:57:10,230 --> 01:57:08,800
different dimension in the future and if

2514
01:57:12,420 --> 01:57:10,240
that's the case and is that a different

2515
01:57:15,950 --> 01:57:12,430
outcome of reality and are we dealing

2516
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:15,960
with a multiplicity virtual infinity of

2517
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:19,570
outcomes a virtual infinity of people

2518
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:21,280
just like ourselves and if that's the

2519
01:57:26,010 --> 01:57:23,650
case then who really cares why does it

2520
01:57:30,150 --> 01:57:26,020
even matter what future are they coming

2521
01:57:32,460 --> 01:57:30,160
back from to influence our timeline and

2522
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:32,470
why the hell would they care like and

2523
01:57:35,730 --> 01:57:34,330
how is that going to affect them like

2524
01:57:38,340 --> 01:57:35,740
you understand where I'm going with this

2525
01:57:41,370 --> 01:57:38,350
yeah I don't really understand the logic

2526
01:57:44,490 --> 01:57:41,380
right now of course of course that just

2527
01:57:46,590 --> 01:57:44,500
poo-poos the whole idea but that's kind

2528
01:57:49,770 --> 01:57:46,600
of like the ETH you're looking at it in

2529
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:49,780
a nuts-and-bolts sense but if you go

2530
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:53,890
with if you go with Einstein's theory of

2531
01:57:59,490 --> 01:57:57,610
relativity and the speed of light you

2532
01:58:00,569 --> 01:57:59,500
don't need a machine you're not turning

2533
01:58:03,660 --> 01:58:00,579
the universe

2534
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:03,670
you jump on your starship Richard Dolan

2535
01:58:07,799 --> 01:58:06,130
and you take off for two years in one

2536
01:58:12,540 --> 01:58:07,809
direction at the speed of light and come

2537
01:58:16,350 --> 01:58:12,550
back I'm gone you have not aged right

2538
01:58:18,359 --> 01:58:16,360
and can be manipulated in time is

2539
01:58:20,459 --> 01:58:18,369
manipulated this has been a measurable

2540
01:58:23,490 --> 01:58:20,469
fact of our world this is why clocks

2541
01:58:26,729 --> 01:58:23,500
will move at a different rate at Earth's

2542
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:26,739
surface as even in our upper atmosphere

2543
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:28,960
the effect is measurable and the further

2544
01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:30,880
out you go it does make a difference but

2545
01:58:35,370 --> 01:58:33,130
the real question is can you reverse it

2546
01:58:36,780 --> 01:58:35,380
and I don't know if physicists who say

2547
01:58:38,609 --> 01:58:36,790
that you can't I mean I know yes some

2548
01:58:41,549 --> 01:58:38,619
have said theoretically the math would

2549
01:58:43,830 --> 01:58:41,559
allow it but can it really happen I mean

2550
01:58:45,810 --> 01:58:43,840
I don't understand physically how it

2551
01:58:47,939 --> 01:58:45,820
would happen because it seems to me that

2552
01:58:51,330 --> 01:58:47,949
you are kind of rewinding the clock of

2553
01:58:53,939 --> 01:58:51,340
not just not just like your little town

2554
01:58:56,310 --> 01:58:53,949
so that you can go like Michael J Fox

2555
01:58:58,589 --> 01:58:56,320
him back to the future and and meet your

2556
01:59:00,839 --> 01:58:58,599
mom when she was young like that to do

2557
01:59:04,410 --> 01:59:00,849
that you have to rewind it seems to me

2558
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:04,420
all of creation and I have no idea how

2559
01:59:09,750 --> 01:59:07,570
that happened I'll tell you one

2560
01:59:13,549 --> 01:59:09,760
fascinating rabbit hole to go down just

2561
01:59:16,859 --> 01:59:13,559
look up Albert Einstein and time loops

2562
01:59:19,950 --> 01:59:16,869
okay just just go right there and check

2563
01:59:21,569 --> 01:59:19,960
out I know I know I know I know that's

2564
01:59:23,850 --> 01:59:21,579
what I'm that's what I'm good for us

2565
01:59:25,890 --> 01:59:23,860
take a break right here and when we come

2566
01:59:29,970 --> 01:59:25,900
back I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you about

2567
01:59:32,580 --> 01:59:29,980
what happened to me last week with Steve

2568
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:32,590
Murillo and the reason why I brought up

2569
01:59:38,910 --> 01:59:36,010
the ETH to you because Richard is Steve

2570
01:59:41,819 --> 01:59:38,920
I Steve and I had a daytime sighting a

2571
01:59:43,979 --> 01:59:41,829
real one okay and we'll talk about that

2572
01:59:46,530 --> 01:59:43,989
when we come back oh yeah it really

2573
01:59:49,260 --> 01:59:46,540
happened I got some images too this is

2574
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:49,270
fade to black Richard Dolan is the guest

2575
01:59:56,720 --> 01:59:50,610
we'll be right back stay with us

2576
02:00:04,110 --> 01:59:56,730
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